Author Topic: Innocentman came forward in 2007!  (Read 52171 times)

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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2014, 09:27:35 PM »
Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

Stranger abduction, statistically, is much less likely than parental involvement, in general terms. This we know well. But we also know well that statistics are meaningless in an individual case.
 
My belief in this case is that as the child has disappeared, and no evidence exists to incriminate the parents, then abduction is the most likely alternative.  A much higher level of proof is required, as I referred to above, in order to accuse the parents of murder, manslaughter, and / or concealment and fraud.
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Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2014, 09:29:08 PM »
What they are suspected to have done isn't really a crime and they would never have gone to prison for that.
The issue is what happened after that.

Yes....precisely

Offline Eleanor

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2014, 09:31:20 PM »
there isn't any known way to handle the media...the McCanns needed to use the media....and the deal is the media have used them

Don't be too sure of that.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2014, 09:32:20 PM »
What they are suspected to have done isn't really a crime and they would never have gone to prison for that.
The issue is what happened after that.

then why would they want to cover anything up

Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2014, 09:32:57 PM »
Stranger abduction, statistically, is much less likely than parental involvement, in general terms. This we know well.
 
My belief in this case is that as the child has disappeared, and no evidence exists to incriminate the parents, then abduction is the most likely alternative.  A much higher level of proof is required, as I referred to above, in order to accuse the parents of murder, manslaughter, and / or concealment and fraud.

As I also said, no one is accusing  them of murder or manslaughter or anythng else......its not illegal immoral or illogical though to be suspicious given a tonne of circumstantial evidence, thats my point!

In the same way you suspect a stranger abducted them

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2014, 09:33:25 PM »
It's not reasonable to say "I don't know". At least if you try to understand.

I don't understand yet. Though I'm trying.  8)-)))

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2014, 09:33:34 PM »
There's plenty of opportunity to move and conceal a body using the hypothesis of the dog findings. Tracking people's possible movements on the night against the timetable. The men split up - opportunity is there to move and conceal if you're alone i.e. Smithman. There's opportunity at other times - on checks (insider), not on checks (abductor), before tapas, later again in private searches etc. Kate is correct in her book that it becomes one word against the other but if you can id Smithman then his movements may reveal themselves for all to see when you compare it against the timetable of events that night gathered from the statements and evidence collected e.g. Smithman was last scene going in the direction of the church when he past the Smith family. In this hypothesis, knowing where Smithman finally concealed the body is the hard part and most probably only he can answer that unless more evidence presents itself.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2014, 09:35:06 PM »
8)-))) Never seen that one before. That's just about the most Orwellian article I've seen. It's a cracker.

It's quite a good one, isn't it?

Have had it up my sleeve for a few days waiting for the right moment...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2014, 09:36:25 PM »
There's plenty of opportunity to move and conceal a body using the hypothesis of the dog findings. Tracking people's possible movements on the night against the timetable. The men split up - opportunity is there to move and conceal if you're alone i.e. Smithman. There's opportunity at other times - on checks (insider), not on checks (abductor), before tapas, later again in private searches etc. Kate is correct in her book it becomes one word against the other but if you can id Smithman then his movements may reveal themselves for all to see when you compare it against the timetable of events that night gathered from the statements and evidence collected e.g. Smithman was last scene going in the direction of the church when he past the Smith family. In this hypothesis, knowing where Smithman finally concealed the body is the hard part and most probably only he can answer that unless more evidence presents itself.

AG has stated that what they did was not a crime so why would they want to cover something up...that would make them guilty of a crime and a possible prison sentence..it makes no sense

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »
Stranger abduction, statistically, is much less likely than parental involvement, in general terms. This we know well.
 
My belief in this case is that as the child has disappeared, and no evidence exists to incriminate the parents, then abduction is the most likely alternative.  A much higher level of proof is required, as I referred to above, in order to accuse the parents of murder, manslaughter, and / or concealment and fraud.
Why ?
Redblossom is right : most circumstantial evidences point towards unintentional killing.
Have you consulted stats about those particular and certainly most awful accidents ?

Redblossom

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2014, 09:38:03 PM »
8)-))) Never seen that one before. That's just about the most Orwellian article I've seen. It's a cracker.

The spin is shocking! That one passed me by too

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2014, 09:38:38 PM »
Have you informations about little Mikaeel's mum ?
What about Casey Anthony ?

Mikaeel's mother had been known to social services for years and Mikaeel had been in care. Furthermore her lifestyle was pretty outlandish for a mother with several children. She was involved in the drugs world in Edinburgh, a recent boyfriend having been shot and killed in connection with a drugs gang. Not the sort of environment a three year old is best placed in.

I can't comment on the Casey Anthony case as I know very little about it.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2014, 09:39:14 PM »
Why ?
Redblossom is right : most circumstantial evidences point towards unintentional killing.
Have you consulted stats about those particular and certainly most awful accidents ?

No red is wrong...weve looked at the stats before  most fatal accidents involve fires...stairs ..you are just plain wrong

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2014, 09:40:09 PM »
The spin is shocking! That one passed me by too

Direct quote from mr smith..no spin

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2014, 09:42:12 PM »
I don't understand yet. Though I'm trying.  8)-)))
You're not trying to understand what happened to Madeleine, but how the abductor managed to make her vanish.
I'm not sure that your mentor would approve that..