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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #135 on: March 19, 2014, 07:52:55 PM »
'10.10  Matt Oldfield contacted the main reception to ask them to call the police'

Where is the independent verification of this ?

Can you prove it isn't true Stephen

Offline jassi

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #136 on: March 19, 2014, 07:54:57 PM »
Can you prove it isn't true Stephen

Probably another of these things that can't be proved or disproved.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #137 on: March 19, 2014, 07:55:24 PM »
Can you prove it isn't true Stephen

Oh Dear.

Offline pegasus

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #138 on: March 19, 2014, 08:07:08 PM »
The police had ben contacted twice, before they responded with urgency So what time was the first call made?
Regarding the facts on 3rd May, when he was on patrol with his colleague Roque in the Odiaxere zone, they received a radio communication from the central, telling them to go to P da L, specifically to the OC resort reception where the father of a little girl who had gone missing was. When they were on their way to this place and in the Valverde area, they received a new communication, informing them that this was a very young child and that her father had called again. They continued on their way, now with urgency, heading for the main reception of the resort.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic18-10.html
The first call to the GNR station was at 22:41and was relayed to the nearest patrol car which was in Odiaxere.
The second call to the GNR station was at 22:52, at this time the patrol car has already reached Valverde (almost in Praia Da Luz).
To hurredly wrap up the Odiaxere diligence and get all the way to Valverde in a total of only 11 minutes is excellent response.
 

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #140 on: March 19, 2014, 08:22:52 PM »

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Stephen...where would you be without those smilies...you would have to actually think of something to say

Offline pegasus

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #141 on: March 19, 2014, 08:23:41 PM »
Odiaxere to Valverde is 10.3km and estimated drivetime is 15 minutes.
Total time the GNR team took to wrap up the diligence they were on and do that drive, total 11 minutes.
The GNR responded fast.

Offline Anna

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #142 on: March 19, 2014, 08:26:18 PM »
'10.10  Matt Oldfield contacted the main reception to ask them to call the police'

Where is the independent verification of this ?

so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it’s difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten”.
00.51.10 4078 “Quite quick then?”
Reply “Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was
surreal when you got there, I said, you’ve got to phone the Police, you know, a child’s been taken, and they went, oh no, she’s probably just sort of woken up and he thought she’s probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you’re right, maybe you’re right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he’d ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don’t know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe. Erm, then we went back up to, or I went, because I was on my own, I went back up to the, erm, to the apartment and it was just obvious that she wasn’t in the apartment, but we were still sort of just milling about on the street, everybody was just running around just sort of trying to, you know, sort of search nearby roads. And so we, erm, I volunteered to go up to the, erm, I went up to the Millennium Restaurant because it was just one of the routes that I thought she



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post476.html#p476
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #143 on: March 19, 2014, 08:38:44 PM »
Receptionist states "he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant".

Offline sadie

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #144 on: March 19, 2014, 08:40:38 PM »
You always come up with the goods.  Thank you Anna.

I knew that I had read it but I can no longer search the files ; my eyes will not stand it anymore..

Offline Anna

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #145 on: March 19, 2014, 08:44:34 PM »
Receptionist states "he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant".

So many people in a state of confusion I believe
This is what you are referring too? They weren't even sure which one informed reception.
and since the lady webster was still there, it must have been before Matthew went at 10.10


He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group—David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell’s food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.
David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.

The witness went to them, he does not remember which one, and asked what was happening. One of them responded to the witness in English stating “GIRL IS MISSING”—that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying. As it was night, and given the distance from the Tapas bar to the apartment, he was not able to determine if there was someone else next to the woman on the balcony. At that moment his colleague, Joe, met up with him and asked the witness to call the police, and that a child has gone missing and could not be found. Immediately afterwards, Joe left toward the street. He does not know who gave this information to Joe but the witness (or his colleague who believes the witness did so) called the reception asking them to inform the police.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 08:55:36 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #146 on: March 19, 2014, 08:49:23 PM »
You always come up with the goods.  Thank you Anna.

I knew that I had read it but I can no longer search the files ; my eyes will not stand it anymore..

You are always welcome Sadie,
My eyes aren't so good now and blind as a bat without specs , but been into computers for a long time now
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #147 on: March 19, 2014, 09:03:58 PM »
Link for tapas employee statement posted above by Anna
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
Link for receptionist statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

Offline Anna

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #148 on: March 19, 2014, 09:14:04 PM »
Link for tapas employee statement posted above by Anna
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
Link for receptionist statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

Thank you Pegasus,
I forgot the links
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #149 on: March 19, 2014, 09:45:45 PM »
In addition to being told at about 10:10pm by MO, perhaps reception may also have been told at around the same time by a call from an employee at tapas, and possibly also told at around the same time by employees working at evening creche (near reception) ?