A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?

[Angelo222]

Absolutely Angelo.

There has always been a supercilious attitude amongst them.

Largely a case it seems of 'Doctors think they know best'.

It was a case of them versus the local yokels imo.  I believe they were more afraid of being blamed for their inadequate childcare arrangements in a country which takes a dim view of such conduct. %£&)**#

[stephen25000]

It was a case of them versus the local yokels imo.  I believe they were more afraid of being blamed for their inadequate childcare arrangements in a country which takes a dim view of such conduct. %£&)**#

Yes Angelo.

In most cases a family holiday means precisely that, and that includes meal times, and likewise young children are taken care of, and not left to their own devices.

[Brietta]

Yes Angelo.

In most cases a family holiday means precisely that, and that includes meal times, and likewise young children are taken care of, and not left to their own devices.

Making it up as you go along there; remind us all, what were the Mark Warner nursery staff employed to do? ... not too sure it involved leaving children to 'their own devices'.

IMO something decidedly odd about people who can allow a vendetta to colour their thoughts over a period of seven years.

[Benice]

Mr McKenzie was most specific about 'paedophile gangs '. Now I can understand that the McCanns may think Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile but a paedophile gang ?

  We don't know what Gerry's exact words were - or the entire conversation for that matter.    Just bits that someone thought they overheard and were generalising about.      That is what the words  ''along the lines of....''  mean.    IOW this is not a specific word for word repetition of what was said.

What does it matter whether he said paedaphiles or a paedaphile gang - in the scheme of things?  What difference does it make to anything?   Sorry Faith but  I think you are nitpicking.

IMO Another example of picking over every single word the McCanns utter - just trying to find fault.

[Wonderfulspam]

  We don't know what Gerry's exact words were - or the entire conversation for that matter.    Just bits that someone thought they overheard and were generalising about.      That is what the words  ''along the lines of....''  mean.    IOW this is not a specific word for word repetition of what was said.

What does it matter whether he said paedaphiles or a paedaphile gang - in the scheme of things?  What difference does it make to anything?   Sorry Faith but  I think you are nitpicking.

IMO Another example of picking over every single word the McCanns utter - just trying to find fault.

thought they overheard

He was 3 metres away from him ffs!

[stephen25000]

Making it up as you go along there; remind us all, what were the Mark Warner nursery staff employed to do? ... not too sure it involved leaving children to 'their own devices'.

IMO something decidedly odd about people who can allow a vendetta to colour their thoughts over a period of seven years.

Don't be foolish.

Now remind us all of all the facilities the mccanns declined and offered by Mark Warner, including a babysitting service.

As to a vendetta, there is nothing vaguely comparable to that conducted by the mccann supporters on the people that don't believe the mccanns story.

[Benice]

In the middle ages they had profound discussion about how many angels could dance on a pin head; the modern equivalent would appear to be discussion about how many phone calls it takes to get police to respond to a call reporting a missing child and whether or not a call from the parents makes the police arrive any sooner than the call from a responsible adult tasked with the responsibility.

If the parents had dashed off immediately to reception to make the call ~ the cry would be ~ "why weren't they out searching?" ~ whoops a minute; isn't that where we came in?

And no doubt if the McCanns had called the police themselves and ignored reception they would be accused of deliberately delaying MW from setting their Missing Child protocol into action.

Let's face it - no matter what the McCanns do - it's always wrong in some people's eyes.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.   Every step of the way.

Inexplicable.

[stephen25000]

And no doubt if the McCanns had called the police themselves and ignored reception they would be accused of deliberately delaying MW from setting their Missing Child protocol into action.

Let's face it - no matter what the McCanns do - it's always wrong in some people's eyes.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.   Every step of the way.

Inexplicable.

..and who is responsible for the inaction/actions of the mccanns ?

Ah yes the mccanns.

[faithlilly]

  We don't know what Gerry's exact words were - or the entire conversation for that matter.    Just bits that someone thought they overheard and were generalising about.      That is what the words  ''along the lines of....''  mean.    IOW this is not a specific word for word repetition of what was said.

What does it matter whether he said paedaphiles or a paedaphile gang - in the scheme of things?  What difference does it make to anything?   Sorry Faith but  I think you are nitpicking.

IMO Another example of picking over every single word the McCanns utter - just trying to find fault.

Context matters. If Gerry said Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile I would find his assumption responsible in the circumstances but that he said a paedophile gang, and this is not a generalisation on Mr McKenzie's  part, is a suspicious claim when uttered so soon after the disappearance whether you like it or not.

[Alfred R Jones]

Context matters. If Gerry said Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile I would find his assumption responsible in the circumstances but that he said a paedophile gang, and this is not a generalisation on Mr McKenzie's  part, is a suspicious claim when uttered so soon after the disappearance whether you like it or not.

why is "abducted by a peadophile" responsible (sic) but "abducted by a paedophile gang" suspicious?  What does it make you suspect and why?

[faithlilly]

why is "abducted by a peadophile" responsible (sic) but "abducted by a paedophile gang" suspicious?  What does it make you suspect and why?

It's the specificness of it. Much like Kate's 'couple' when talking to Yvonne Martin.

[Alfred R Jones]

It's the specificness of it. Much like Kate's 'couple' when talking to Yvonne Martin.

What would be their motive for trying to pin it on a couple or a gang then, in your view?  You'd have thought they would have got JT to see double if the plan was to pin it on more than one individual wouldn't you?!

[John]

Getting back on topic, the first few minutes in any child abduction is crucial.  If what we are asked to believe about the window and shutters is true then the abduction was real and should have been dealt with in a completely different manner to what actually occurred. 

Mark Warner staff had a missing child protocol but this was not a missing child, this was an abducted child.  The police should have been called instantly and told that a child had been abducted. 

On the other hand, the police had no resources to deal with this sort of event given its rarity.

[Benice]

It's the specificness of it. Much like Kate's 'couple' when talking to Yvonne Martin.

Do you believe that every word Kate spoke to Yvonne Martin was related back by her to the  police?  Not a chance.     Once again we do not know the whole conversation or the context in which things were said.      Thinking her daughter may have been taken by people who wanted a child  is just one of the possibilities which would go through Kate's mind at that time -  what is wrong with that?

You seem to think that it is only the words recalled by YM that were actually spoken by Kate during that 'meeting'  This is plainly nonsense.   Whole loads of stuff will have been left out.  People are not tape recorders.

Just as nonsensical as believing that the only people who saw Madeleine on the 3rd were the people who have made statements mentioning that fact.        Loads of other people may have seen her - they just haven't felt the need to come forward to tell anyone - as it has never been in question.    And yet IIRC there are people who claim that she died before the 3rd May - on the grounds that there is only one independent witness who saw her alive on the 3rd -  and she has been bribed. 

Where is their common sense?

 

[Angelo222]

There will always be people who thought they saw something but didn't and police have to be extremely careful not to get side tracked by them.

I have never understood why Gerry went out looking for Madeleine without first contacting the authorities if he knew she had been abducted.  If I had been in that situation I would have grabbed my mobile and phoned the emergency number while searching outside just in case she had been abandoned by her abductor. In situations like that you have to cover all the bases.