A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?

[Brietta]

the truth is that they were all pissed to varying degrees and couldnt conduct a lucid telephone conversation with anyone let alone the police so that in my book makes it twice that they let maddie down.

If that is anything more than your opinion it would be an idea to provide a cite; bearing in mind the waiter who served them at the table gave a statement to the PJ diametrically opposed to what you have said.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The waiter at the table had no idea if they were taking prescription meds or what they had to drink before they went to the Tapas, which would contradict a waiter saying they didn't have much to drink at the table. and without a blood test being done - no one will know.

[Brietta]

How remiss of me to forget that if one wishes to hound the Drs McCann there is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to base opinion even loosely on fact and that witness statements which tend to uphold their position are ignored or distorted.

[Benice]

the truth is that they were all pissed to varying degrees and couldnt conduct a lucid telephone conversation with anyone let alone the police so that in my book makes it twice that they let maddie down.

The wine came with the meal.  The meal wasn't even ordered until around 9.00.  The alarm was raised at 10.     In the intervening HOUR they ate a three course meal and some of them   took time out to check on their children.     No-one knows how many unemptied glasses and bottles remained on the table  when the alarm was raised - and hardly time to get sloshed anyway -  even if they had not been eating a meal.

Not one single person, either OC staff, restaurant staff  or policeman have ever even hinted that anyone was inebriated.

But hey - why let the facts get in the way of a good myth.   And what do the people who were there at the time know anyway  - compared to what 'sceptics' know.

[faithlilly]

And what do the people who were there at the time know anyway

Shall I remind you of the above when discussing Mrs Fenn, Yvonne Martin, Katerina Gaspar et al ?

[sadie]

The wine came with the meal.  The meal wasn't even ordered until around 9.00.  The alarm was raised at 10.     In the intervening HOUR they ate a three course meal and some of them   took time out to check on their children.     No-one knows how many unemptied glasses and bottles remained on the table  when the alarm was raised - and hardly time to get sloshed anyway -  even if they had not been eating a meal.

Not one single person, either OC staff, restaurant staff  or policeman have ever even hinted that anyone was inebriated.

But hey - why let the facts get in the way of a good myth.   And what do the people who were there at the time know anyway  - compared to what 'sceptics' know.

One of the waiters commented that he had opened 4 bottles of wine and that they were unfinished.  Also some of the galsses would have been left with wine in them.  Hardly sozzled! 

Try and get your facts right , Julie

Welcome by the way.




Wine waiter, Jeronimo, said that they were not big drinkers at all .... and certainly had drunk little on the night Madeleine was abducted.   

They were not drunk, BUT exceedingly distressed ... and that is why they were not as together as normal. 



I hope that you, Julie, never experienve anything like the despair that The Mccanns must have felt that night.

[stephen25000]

One of the waiters commented that he had opened 4 bottles of wine and that they were unfinished.  Also some of the galsses would have been left with wine in them.  Hardly sozzled! 

Try and get your facts right , Julie

Welcome by the way.





Wine waiter, Jeronimo, said that they were not big drinkers at all .... and certainly had drunk little on the night Madeleine was abducted.   

They were not drunk, BUT exceedingly distressed ... and that is why they were not as together as normal. 



I hope that you, Julie, never experienve anything like the despair that The Mccanns must have felt that night.

It wasn't just one night of drinking sadie.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.

[Brietta]

It wasn't just one night of drinking sadie.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.

It obviously comforts you to believe the worst of Madeleine's parents whatever the circumstances; meanwhile in the real world the evidence is readily available that the party were drinking moderately; but why let the facts bother you - Dr Amaral's documentary pejorative portrayal of the wine flowing like water from the continually clinkinking glasses and bottles is your preferred option.

Oh the power of propaganda!

[ferryman]

It obviously comforts you to believe the worst of Madeleine's parents whatever the circumstances; meanwhile in the real world the evidence is readily available that the party were drinking moderately; but why let the facts bother you - Dr Amaral's documentary pejorative portrayal of the wine flowing like water from the continually clinkinking glasses and bottles is your preferred option.

Oh the power of propaganda!

In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behaviour of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk.

Jeronimo salcedas.

[Lace]

It wasn't just one night of drinking sadie.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.

Did any of the bar staff or waiters   mention in their statement that  they were drunk any night?

[John]

As far as I am aware it has never been claimed by any witnesses that any of the tapas-9 were drunk the night that Madeleine disappeared but would they have failed a breathalyzer test?

I haven't met anyone yet who can indulge yet remain sober. 

[sadie]

It wasn't just one night of drinking sadie.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.

It wasn't a night of drinking Stephen, you are grossly exagerating.  They were eating their meal and having SOME wine with it, as most people do if the opportunity is there. 


As you say, they ATE a meal every night and accompanied it with a glass or two of wine night after night.


As MOST people do


I would bet that 90% of people would have a glass, or so, of wine if it came free with the meal, as this did.



It is you, Stephen who is out of line with the reality of what most people would do.



Having a glass or two of wine does not equate to being drunk, especially when taken with a meal.  There were no reports of drunkeness or being tiddly ....and to be frank, if say, the hubbie got a little merry and the wife stayed sober, there was no real problem anyway.

BUT there is NO report of anyone getting sloshed.  Not a single report, so why keep going over something that never happened?

[Anna]

It wasn't a night of drinking Stephen, you are grossly exagerating.  They were eating their meal and having SOME wine with it, as most people do if the opportunity is there. 


As you say, they ATE a meal every night and accompanied it with a glass or two of wine night after night.


As MOST people do


I would bet that 90% of people would have a glass, or so, of wine if it came free with the meal, as this did.



It is you, Stephen who is out of line with the reality of what most people would do.



Having a glass or two of wine does not equate to being drunk, especially when taken with a meal.  There were no reports of drunkeness or being tiddly ....and to be frank, if say, the hubbie got a little merry and the wife stayed sober, there was no real problem anyway.

BUT there is NO report of anyone getting sloshed.  Not a single report, so why keep going over something that never happened?

It wasn't a night of drinking Stephen, you are grossly exagerating.  They were eating their meal and having SOME wine with it, as most people do if the opportunity is there. 


As you say, they ATE a meal every night and accompanied it with a glass or two of wine night after night.


As MOST people do


I would bet that 90% of people would have a glass, or so, of wine if it came free with the meal, as this did.



It is you, Stephen who is out of line with the reality of what most people would do.



Having a glass or two of wine does not equate to being drunk, especially when taken with a meal.  There were no reports of drunkeness or being tiddly ....and to be frank, if say, the hubbie got a little merry and the wife stayed sober, there was no real problem anyway.

BUT there is NO report of anyone getting sloshed.  Not a single report, so why keep going over something that never happened?

I could never have imagined having my evening meal without wine, but alas I can no longer due to medication.
I always had a glass while preparing the meal too. My hubby doesnt drink so no need for me to worry about driving. Oh! how I enjoyed a nice Chateneuf du Pape (probably spelt it wrong) but a nice full bodied red.

[sadie]

I am not really a drinker at all, despite one part of my family having been wine merchants historically ... not posh ones !

I can take it or leave it, but me too, I am rather liking a fullbodied red, say a Barolo or a decent Rioja which has breathed a while.


I am not a drunkard Stephen, nor even really a drinker, but I enjoy an occasioanl glass of wine with a meal.  Most people do.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The point is they were out drinking and enjoying themselves- night after night! leaving the children alone. 

We do not know how much they had to drink before they arrived at the tapas bar. Some people I know can drink a lot of spirits and not 'look drunk'...  and MOST people you refer to do not exist in any survey commissioned to ascertain  the worlds populations drinking habits. Therefore, you do not have a mandate to speak on behalf of 'most people'.

Just sayin...