Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.

[Lyall]

Spot on, Heriberto: No official info.

Since 2008.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Spot on, Heriberto: No official info.

Since 2008.

Well, we have SY statements and PGR reopening the case in 2013 ... And Crimewatch TV program, October 2013, which shows interesting things, believe me  ...

BTW, not all OC employees participated in the searches, and many said they knew about the crime the next morning when they went to work ... Most interesting if some of them had phone calls during the night by people who may knew about the crime at the time ...

[VIXTE]

But what if the 'burglar' who was also a member of staff found himself in the flat.. thinking it would be an easy pick of few valuables.
Let's say he entered 9.00, just before Gerry went in.  At this point he hid in children's bedroom, behind the doors.
At this point he wanted to exit, but he was NO LONGER SURE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT.
As he was standing there, Gerry already left but the burglar did not know this.
He felt trapped.
Madeleine wakes up. Looks at him and recognises him.
She is about to scream, he catches her and puts his hand over her mouth.
At this point Matt Oldfield enters, unaware of anything going on he stood in front of the bedroom while 'the burglar' was standing behind the door, still holding Madeleine's mouth not to scream.
Burglar is now not sure whether Matt is still there.. he even doesn't know it was Matt.. he doesn't know if the people are still at the apartment.
At this point he realises Madeleine in his hands is no longer moving, and suspects she might be dead.
He cannot leave the body there, it is a risk of being caught. He has no car and not sure what to do, he contacts someone close to him who has a car. Now waiting for the person to turn up, he opens the window and checks.
Once he saw the car there, he quickly passes Madeleine through the window. Maybe even he exits through the window.


The other scenario is similar but this time Madeleine is alive and unconscious. This is the ' taken by order' scenario.

[Redblossom]

Britons and no-Britons. CPS sent the two rogatory letters in this case.

I dont thnk the CPS can prosecute non Britons for any crime committed abroad


 >@@(*&)

Can they?

[Redblossom]

But what if the 'burglar' who was also a member of staff found himself in the flat.. thinking it would be an easy pick of few valuables.
Let's say he entered 9.00, just before Gerry went in.  At this point he hid in children's bedroom, behind the doors.
At this point he wanted to exit, but he was NO LONGER SURE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT.
As he was standing there, Gerry already left but the burglar did not know this.
He felt trapped.
Madeleine wakes up. Looks at him and recognises him.
She is about to scream, he catches her and puts his hand over her mouth.
At this point Matt Oldfield enters, unaware of anything going on he stood in front of the bedroom while 'the burglar' was standing behind the door, still holding Madeleine's mouth not to scream.
Burglar is now not sure whether Matt is still there.. he even doesn't know it was Matt.. he doesn't know if the people are still at the apartment.
At this point he realises Madeleine in his hands is no longer moving, and suspects she might be dead.
He cannot leave the body there, it is a risk of being caught. He has no car and not sure what to do, he contacts someone close to him who has a car. Now waiting for the person to turn up, he opens the window and checks.
Once he saw the car there, he quickly passes Madeleine through the window. Maybe even he exits through the window.


The other scenario is similar but this time Madeleine is alive and unconscious. This is the ' taken by order' scenario.

Ever thought of writing to mills and boon as a new novelist vixte?? Lol

[Lyall]

Well, we have SY statements and PGR reopening the case in 2013 ... And Crimewatch TV program, October 2013, which shows interesting things, believe me  ...

BTW, not all OC employees participated in the searches, and many said they knew about the crime the next morning when they went to work ... Most interesting if some of them had phone calls during the night by people who may knew about the crime at the time ...

Of course they knew next morning - the town was full of police and it was on TV.

Who couldn't have known?

[Heriberto Janosch]

I dont thnk the CPS can prosecute non Britons for any crime committed abroad


 >@@(*&)

Can they?

CPS sent the two rogatory letters, and remember the official SY statement (38 persons of interest but only 12 are british citizens).

[Redblossom]

Of course they knew next morning - the town was full of police and it was on TV.

Who couldn't have known?

What H is sayng is that those who said they only heard next morning might have been lyng if they had been called the night before!

 >@@(*&)

Whch means either they were perpetrators, or  in on it with people calling them!

[Lyall]

Well, we have SY statements and PGR reopening the case in 2013 ... And Crimewatch TV program, October 2013, which shows interesting things, believe me  ...

BTW, not all OC employees participated in the searches, and many said they knew about the crime the next morning when they went to work ... Most interesting if some of them had phone calls during the night by people who may knew about the crime at the time ...

Only interesting thing I saw on Crimewatch was Kirsty, otherwise it was of a similar standard to Madeleine Was Here (with similar objective I think). You'll have to explain if you want us (and James Murray) to follow what you mean (without explanation it's just the same as fantasy).

[Redblossom]

CPS sent the two rogatory letters, and remember the official SY statement (38 persons of interest but only 12 are british citizens).

So cps only got involved in case the culprits were british? Ok

[Lyall]

What H is sayng is that those who said they only heard next morning might have been lyng if they had been called the night before!

 >@@(*&)

Whch means either they were perpetrators, or  in on it with people calling them!

I'm glad somebody understands it

[colombosstogey]

But what if the 'burglar' who was also a member of staff found himself in the flat.. thinking it would be an easy pick of few valuables.
Let's say he entered 9.00, just before Gerry went in.  At this point he hid in children's bedroom, behind the doors.
At this point he wanted to exit, but he was NO LONGER SURE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT.
As he was standing there, Gerry already left but the burglar did not know this.
He felt trapped.
Madeleine wakes up. Looks at him and recognises him.
She is about to scream, he catches her and puts his hand over her mouth.
At this point Matt Oldfield enters, unaware of anything going on he stood in front of the bedroom while 'the burglar' was standing behind the door, still holding Madeleine's mouth not to scream.
Burglar is now not sure whether Matt is still there.. he even doesn't know it was Matt.. he doesn't know if the people are still at the apartment.
At this point he realises Madeleine in his hands is no longer moving, and suspects she might be dead.
He cannot leave the body there, it is a risk of being caught. He has no car and not sure what to do, he contacts someone close to him who has a car. Now waiting for the person to turn up, he opens the window and checks.
Once he saw the car there, he quickly passes Madeleine through the window. Maybe even he exits through the window.


The other scenario is similar but this time Madeleine is alive and unconscious. This is the ' taken by order' scenario.

All this in a window of what 5 minutes..........There were so many people walking about, dont forget the dad taking his child from or to the creche at 9.15 as well that JT clocked, oh yes and Gerry and Jez were sat about talking, and I would imagine other people were about too.

Also there wasnt much room in the childrens room, a bed by the wall, 2 cots one against the wardrobe door, and a partridge in a pear tree lol....

Nah its too complicated. The longer the person stays in there the more chances of leaving traces which there was non of......and why take the child....for what purpose. IF they were frightened the dead child would give them away with DNA, then the fact is the burglar wasnt wearing gloves, which means he/she should have left finger prints everywhere. IF they took the time to wipe them, then there would be no prints for the GNR to collect, and they would have KNOWN there had been a perb in the apartment.

Its all so CIS you know....

[jassi]

What H is sayng is that those who said they only heard next morning might have been lyng if they had been called the night before!

 >@@(*&)

Whch means either they were perpetrators, or  in on it with people calling them!

At this rate, we'll soon have involved most of the indigenous population of PDL

[Redblossom]

 

At this rate, we'll soon have involved most of the indigenous population of PDL

Why not anyne and everyne has been fair game to date from pdl to timbuktu

Just make sure you were nowhere within 200 miles of the vicinity that night, didnt make too many phone calls, never nicked a bob, never smoked a joint, wast seen lurking six months earlier and tying your shoelaces or going round raising money for charity with a creepy face, dont carry your blonde daughter on yur back if you live in morocco and have dark hair or take her out for a walk in belgium either past the cctv cos shes blonde and 4 and you are not blonde,even if yure her bona fide nanny, never have a dolly in the back of  your car either if youre a cleaner ,it suggests you could be culpable luring kids in, and god forbid always use clearasil for them spots and never ever just stand there and admire / stare at the bugainvilia or have a chain smoking habit and mess up a balcony with fag ends cos you MIGHT be watchng and waiting really to abduct a kid, and dont "look" like Madeleine either if you live in NZ or anywhere else, you will get dna tested to prove you are your parents child, remeber all that and you should be ok if youre innocent

just to be sure dont put down on your cv you worked there at any time in the last ten years either! Cos any of that will get your pic in the papers saying "is this the beast"

oh and thats just a tenth of the shenanigans

[Lyall]

heriberto to you
heriberto to you
heriberto, mr murray
heriberto to you



(I'm bored )