Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.

[Cariad]

just as we cant assume that the parents were involved

True, cause we don't know what happened.

[VIXTE]

Are you sure about this, WS, or is this just another myth?

Is there an official record of that 'visit'? I don't think so...

Most of that article is just filler.

I've seen in Kate's statement that it was actually Amelie who cried.

[Cariad]

I've seen in Kate's statement that it was actually Amelie who cried.

Could you link to it please? I've read Madeleine and Sean, never Amelie.

[VIXTE]

Could you link to it please? I've read Madeleine and Sean, never Amelie.

Kate McCann interview 6th Sept

When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on Tuesday night for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45 p.m., she says that is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, so she stayed to sleep with her and Gerry in their bedroom. She says that before Madeleine appeared in her bedroom, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine came into the room almost at the same time she heard the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she, or Gerry, went to the children’s room, however she asserts that Amelie cried for a short time.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta5

[Cariad]

Thank you for the link. So KM is claiming that Mrs Fenn lied?

[Mr Gray]

Thank you for the link. So KM is claiming that Mrs Fenn lied?

Its not a matter of lying it could just be a mistake

[jassi]

Its not a matter of lying it could just be a mistake

On who's part ?

[VIXTE]

On who's part ?

There was lots of kids around, how can Mrs Fenn be sure it was exactly Madeleine who cried?

[jassi]

Did Mrs Fenn say it was Madeleine, or just a child ?

[Redblossom]

Did Mrs Fenn say it was Madeleine, or just a child ?

She said it was a chld over two years of age and was convinced the cryng came from directly below her flat

Directly below is the mccanns flat


That rules out the paynes on the same floor as her next door and who had a monitor and the oldfields whose child was not even two at the time

That leaves the obriens child three doors away and whilst daddy was there...doubt it was his child either

Reckon Mrs Fenn was right

[sadie]

ROFLMAO, your serious RIGHT, so two, 2 year olds who cant speak are going to comfort her. OMG I have read it all now....

I am gobsmacked colom. 

Are you seriously saying that two intelligent 2 1/4 yr old children  couldn't talk?  Both mine could walk and talk by 12 months.  and well before 2 years they could run and string small  sentences together.  Couldn't yours do that?

I am aware that there are certain lazy intelligent babies that do not bother to talk at such an early age cos they can get what they want without talking, but that is rare .   Are you sure that the twins fell in this catagory ?

[sadie]

She said it was a chld over two years of age and was convinced the cryng came from directly below her flat

Directly below is the mccanns flat


That rules out the paynes on the same floor as her next door and who had a monitor and the oldfields whose child was not even two at the time

That leaves the obriens child three doors away and whilst daddy was there...doubt it was his child either

Reckon Mrs Fenn was right

Most old people have some hearing loss and can no longer tell the direction that sound comes from.  I dont have a clue tbh.  With hearing loss the clarity of sound disappears.  Mrs fenn may believe that the crying child was over two, but with any hearing loss she may have likely had plus all children make different crying sounds, it is doubtful she knew.

Had Madeleine been loudly crying, there would have been three loud voices imo.   Madeleine would have soon wakened the twins up.  She is no shrinking violet !


Does Mrs Fenn say three children crying ?  NO

[Mr Gray]

On who's part ?

mrs Fenn...you know what old people are like for getting things mixed up

[VIXTE]

I am gobsmacked colom. 

Are you seriously saying that two intelligent 2 1/4 yr old children  couldn't talk?  Both mine could walk and talk by 12 months.  and well before 2 years they could run and string small  sentences together.  Couldn't yours do that?

I am aware that there are certain lazy intelligent babies that do not bother to talk at such an early age cos they can get what they want without talking, but that is rare .   Are you sure that the twins fell in this catagory ?

Actually I could read and write aged 2.5 and so did one of my cousins.

But for example one of my sisters had difficulty reading aged 5 or 6 but she later in life did better than any of us.. her IQ is also higher than ours.. so IMO this is all individual..

[Redblossom]

Most old people have some hearing loss and can no longer tell

I wholeheartedly agree