Author Topic: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?  (Read 205439 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2014, 07:32:54 PM »
No, both sides have delayed the trial.

Get real.

Meanwhile from km's mouth,

Kate McCann: "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

Now that says it all.

This is totally false.  The McCanns have not delayed The Trial.

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stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2014, 08:07:58 PM »
This is totally false.  The McCanns have not delayed The Trial.

Prove me wrong.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2014, 08:09:10 PM »
Prove me wrong.

if you have said it..its probably wrong...thats proof enough for me

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2014, 08:12:39 PM »
if you have said it..its probably wrong...thats proof enough for me

You truly live in a fantasy world. 8-)(--)

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2014, 09:49:59 PM »
that's  a bit unfair Stephen... I didnt actually call you anything

Nor me neither.

Same old same old.  They can dish it out though, can't they.

icabodcrane

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2014, 11:02:42 PM »
This is totally false.  The McCanns have not delayed The Trial.

You simply cannot say that the McCanns have not delayed the trial,  because you do not  know 

Someone asked for a delay so that an out of court settlement could be reached  ... only  the McCanns  could have done that   (  Amaral was not legally in a position to have done so  )

It is not only possible that the McCanns delayed the trial on that occasion,  it is almost certain that they did

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2014, 02:02:55 AM »
Absolute proof that the desperate and childish orchestrated campaign against Mr Amaral's personal and professional life began in full strength long BEFORE he wrote the book, and WHILE he was still working on the case.
Read this article by David Rose. Please ignore the date at the top, because this article was pubished on 15th SEPT 2007.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #112 on: February 02, 2014, 02:06:22 AM »
Absol;ute proof that the orchestrated campaign against Mr Amaral's personal and professional life began in full strength  BEFORE he wrote the book and WHILE he was still working on the case.
Read this article by David Rose. Please ignore the date at the top. This article was pubished on 15th SEPT 2007.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html
Those readers insightful enough to ask the question: wwas the list of insults against Mr Amaral to include in this article (sweaty, corpulentprovided to the journalist by another person, a well known PR type person article

Anyway, who cares about the Amaral? Who is he? A professional that failed to do his job?
There are thousands of professionals like that in this world who every day loose their jobs, and they get replaced by better people..
Amaral got replaced by better people, who do their jobs better than he did.. End of story.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #113 on: February 02, 2014, 02:16:49 AM »
Mr Amaral is a man of integrity IMO.
No way would he sink so low as such childish and desperate insults as "corpulent" "sweaty" "no speak no speak" and I could add dozens more examples from that one article see above.
Was someone very good at media manipulation utterly desperate to entice journalists to write very anti-Amaral articles in SEPT 2007 ?
Nothing to do with the book, this was a concerted PR attack against an officer WORKING on the PDL case.

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #114 on: February 02, 2014, 09:15:14 AM »
Mr Amaral is a man of integrity IMO.
No way would he sink so low as such childish and desperate insults as "corpulent" "sweaty" "no speak no speak" and I could add dozens more examples from that one article see above.
Was someone very good at media manipulation utterly desperate to entice journalists to write very anti-Amaral articles in SEPT 2007 ?
Nothing to do with the book, this was a concerted PR attack against an officer WORKING on the PDL case.

LOL - do you really think reporters and editors had to be 'enticed' to write anti-Amaral articles - (or any McCann related articles for that matter)?.    To believe that you have to believe that  reporters and editors would not dream of writing anything nasty about that nice Mr. Amaral of their own accord-  because as we all know Reporters and editors are all cuddly, warmhearted peeps who only ever print the truth - and are not the slightest bit interested in libelling anyone in the pursuit of profit  - and who apparently just sit there obediently waiting for instructions from the McCanns.   What a load of BS that is.

If the McCanns were orchestrating anti-Amaral stuff in the press - then surely that fact would have been exposed and used against them by reporters/editors  in the Leveson Enquiry?  But not a word.   And why would the McCanns be in favour of Lord Leveson's recommendations anyway?   If they are 'controlling' the press - then they are the last people in the world who would want that wonderful position to  change - and yet they support the recommendations for serious change wholeheartedly.   IOW they have done the complete opposite of what anyone in such a powerful position would do.   

Blaming the McCanns for everything that appears in the media has become just another easy and convenient stick to beat them with IMO.

As for Amaral being a man of integrity.   Surely you cannot possibly be serious?



« Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 11:56:37 AM by Benice »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2014, 09:18:54 AM »
Who were these people working for and who paid them?



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jyUiYI-ZLfo/S4__bbL75gI/AAAAAAAAAAc/gPvhONyt7q4/s1600/hanover.jpg

Just asking....



Offline jassi

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #116 on: February 02, 2014, 09:47:04 AM »
Who were these people working for and who paid them?



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jyUiYI-ZLfo/S4__bbL75gI/AAAAAAAAAAc/gPvhONyt7q4/s1600/hanover.jpg

Just asking....

When you look at their website, they seem to specialise in reputation management internationally  for Corporations.
Makes you wonder how and why they got involved with the McCanns.

As you rightly ask, who financed them?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

drummer

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2014, 09:57:35 AM »
IMO Some of Amaral's supporters did more damage to his reputation than anyone. I'm sure he cringed a few times when he learned of their ridiculous campaigns and stalking events.

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #118 on: February 02, 2014, 10:12:21 AM »
Who were these people working for and who paid them?



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jyUiYI-ZLfo/S4__bbL75gI/AAAAAAAAAAc/gPvhONyt7q4/s1600/hanover.jpg

Just asking....

I've no idea (page freezes for me btw).  Who are they? And where does it say they helped to promote  Anti Amaral articles in the Press?

Why is it so hard  for some people to believe that it would be impossible for the McCanns to have coped with such a huge amount of media attention?    They were no more used to dealing with the media than any other ordinary person in the street and there would not have been enough hours in the day for them to cope with it anyway.

Having an official experienced spokesman to deal with the media meant a massive untenable burden was taken off their shoulders.         Why something which was so obviously a great help to them has to be twisted into something with sinister undertones, is a mystery to me.   

But then to some people it doesn't matter what the McCanns do or say -  they are  always wrong in some people's eyes imo.    (That's a general comment btw - not directed at anyone in particular)











 





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2014, 11:55:59 AM »
It does rather beggar belief that a detective as experienced and senior as Amaral was, apparently, failed to understand basic protocols and procedures of policing.  For example, it is basic procedure (so far as I know) of police forces around the world, and certainly of British and Portuguese police, to take individual witness statements from witnesses.

So was it mere incompetence, or a lie, that prompted Amaral to say in his book that the Gaspars gave a joint statement?

The fact that they gave separate statements is crucial, because Mr G's statement could scarcely be more different from his wife's, and runs (almost) like a glowing character-reference.


And Amaral even gets one (critical) aspect of Mrs G's statement wrong.

And you talk about orchastred attacks?

He doesn't seem to have paid much notice to the fact that Mr G didn't actually agree with his wife's interpretation... But then, he has exaggerated what the Smith family actually said, and has selective amnesia about the fact that the children disagreed.

Police work isn't about cherry-picking details out of context, is it? If so, why?
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