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Offline pegasus

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #195 on: February 08, 2014, 12:15:21 AM »
Do you think he has been successful in blowing the whole sodden mess apart...the only thing he seems to have blown apart is himself....and his marriage...and his finances
Just a reminder that the original investigation heavily involved many UK professionals also.
The attacks on the original investigation however, cautiously attack only the Portuguese people involved, especially Mr Amaral, and never attack the Brits involved in the very same investigative course.

If Mr Amaral  had flirted in court or had some relative involved in some dodgy trick even for only for ten seconds, oh what happy field days his attackers would have.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 12:20:13 AM by pegasus »

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #196 on: February 08, 2014, 03:23:08 AM »
Just a reminder that the original investigation heavily involved many UK professionals also.
The attacks on the original investigation however, cautiously attack only the Portuguese people involved, especially Mr Amaral, and never attack the Brits involved in the very same investigative course.

If Mr Amaral  had flirted in court or had some relative involved in some dodgy trick even for only for ten seconds, oh what happy field days his attackers would have.
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I find it quite inexplicable that the McCanns can be accused of any old thing  on this forum - no matter how insulting - 24/7 as a matter of course - and yet they have never even been charged with any offence.       But apparently Amaral is not to be criticised - almost as if he had practically nothing to do with this case and yet  as Lead Investigator  - if it wasn't for his decision to 'blame the parents' - in particular the mother -  we would probably not be here now.

The man has a criminal conviction for lying and abusing his position as a policeman.      He has a conviction for fraud.   He is an adulterer and according to his wife a drunk driver.    And yet we are supposed to ignore all that?    Why?   Would you ignore it if it was GM who had that same history?   I strongly suspect not.

To my knowledge the Portuguese people have never been attacked - only elements of the PJ.   And deservedly so IMO  considering one is a convicted liar and another is a convicted torturer.

Where is your common sense?

         




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Luz

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #197 on: February 08, 2014, 06:06:05 AM »
It is remarkably difficult to find anywhere in the world such an orchestrated attack on a detective's private and professional life simply because in his job he accused a foreign individual of concealment.


In my opinion he was targeted because he was the team leader. From the files it is easy to see that other men in the PJ contributed to the interpretation that he finally used in his book.

Much more relevant than the book were, for instance Ricardo Paiva's and others reports about the couples behaviour, but especially the Tavares the Almeida Report in Sep 2007 [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm] which, even under Paulo Rebelo's coordination, was the basis for the observations in the Final Report & later in the Archival Report about the non clearance of the McCann.

The fact that Amaral chose to remove himself from the police, in order to be able to clarify the facts and defend his honour by writing a book. only gave the McCann the opportunity to go after him like jackals with their pack.
It's typical of predators to attack the isolated victim, and Amaral made himself the most exposed one.

However he is not the only or main target, the PJ as a whole is. See today's Mirror opinion by Lord Stevens [http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394#ixzz2sgZmTI1D, as if the British Police never had an Operation Countryman or an Operation Tiberius. By the way, giving Princess Diana as the example how the British police interferes with ongoing investigations overseas was a shot in the foot.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #198 on: February 08, 2014, 07:41:08 AM »

In my opinion he was targeted because he was the team leader. From the files it is easy to see that other men in the PJ contributed to the interpretation that he finally used in his book.

Much more relevant than the book were, for instance Ricardo Paiva's and others reports about the couples behaviour, but especially the Tavares the Almeida Report in Sep 2007 [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm] which, even under Paulo Rebelo's coordination, was the basis for the observations in the Final Report & later in the Archival Report about the non clearance of the McCann.

The fact that Amaral chose to remove himself from the police, in order to be able to clarify the facts and defend his honour by writing a book. only gave the McCann the opportunity to go after him like jackals with their pack.
It's typical of predators to attack the isolated victim, and Amaral made himself the most exposed one.

However he is not the only or main target, the PJ as a whole is. See today's Mirror opinion by Lord Stevens [http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394#ixzz2sgZmTI1D, as if the British Police never had an Operation Countryman or an Operation Tiberius. By the way, giving Princess Diana as the example how the British police interferes with ongoing investigations overseas was a shot in the foot.

I though this sentence was interesting.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #199 on: February 08, 2014, 09:27:30 AM »
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I find it quite inexplicable that the McCanns can be accused of any old thing  on this forum - no matter how insulting - 24/7 as a matter of course - and yet they have never even been charged with any offence.       But apparently Amaral is not to be criticised - almost as if he had practically nothing to do with this case and yet  as Lead Investigator  - if it wasn't for his decision to 'blame the parents' - in particular the mother -  we would probably not be here now.

The man has a criminal conviction for lying and abusing his position as a policeman.      He has a conviction for fraud.   He is an adulterer and according to his wife a drunk driver.    And yet we are supposed to ignore all that?    Why?   Would you ignore it if it was GM who had that same history?   I strongly suspect not.

To my knowledge the Portuguese people have never been attacked - only elements of the PJ.   And deservedly so IMO  considering one is a convicted liar and another is a convicted torturer.

Where is your common sense?

         

This is a free speech forum Benice and as long as what you are saying is true the your posts are permitted.

So if I say that amaral ia a convicted liar...and that he was sacked from the Maddie case for misconduct...that he drove his car whilst drunk with his daughter ..then that should be ok

Offline Angelo222

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #200 on: February 08, 2014, 09:29:53 AM »
If you read the new section  on the private investigators employed by the McCanns and their supporters in 2007 you will be gobsmacked at the cosy relationship exposed in the who's who.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3333.msg126832#msg126832
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 09:34:54 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #201 on: February 08, 2014, 09:31:42 AM »
This is a free speech forum Benice and as long as what you are saying is true the your posts are permitted.

So if I say that amaral ia a convicted liar...and that he was sacked from the Maddie case for misconduct...that he drove his car whilst drunk with his daughter ..then that should be ok

Can you prove the latter comment Davel?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline jassi

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #202 on: February 08, 2014, 09:32:17 AM »
This is a free speech forum Benice and as long as what you are saying is true the your posts are permitted.

So if I say that amaral ia a convicted liar...and that he was sacked from the Maddie case for misconduct...that he drove his car whilst drunk with his daughter ..then that should be ok

Perfectly fine by me, but is that really relevant to anything?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #203 on: February 08, 2014, 09:36:36 AM »
Out of interest what was the misconduct which caused him to be removed from the Maddie case Davel?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #204 on: February 08, 2014, 09:37:52 AM »
Can you prove the latter comment Davel?

There is a letter of complaint from Amaral's wife, stamped with an official PJ Stamp, stating that Amaral drove his daughter around when he was drunk.
Unless you think she was lying of course.

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #205 on: February 08, 2014, 09:40:28 AM »
There is a letter of complaint from Amaral's wife, stamped with an official PJ Stamp, stating that Amaral drove his daughter around when he was drunk.
Unless you think she was lying of course.

Do you have proof of this ?

Was it rescinded ?

How many police officiers drink in the UK when on duty ?

Do members of the current Met team drink during their lunchtime break ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #206 on: February 08, 2014, 09:41:05 AM »
Can you prove the latter comment Davel?

So you accept the first two? Good

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #207 on: February 08, 2014, 09:43:56 AM »
So you accept the first two? Good

Perhaps 'your dyslexia' is getting in the way.

Please re-read the comment and answer the question.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #208 on: February 08, 2014, 09:44:50 AM »
Perfectly fine by me, but is that really relevant to anything?

Its extremely relevant........This si the man who was in charge of the investigation...now thats a disgrace...he is a proven liar so anything he writes may be suspect..imo

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #209 on: February 08, 2014, 09:45:26 AM »
Out of interest what was the misconduct which caused him to be removed from the Maddie case Davel?

criticising the uk police