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stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #346 on: February 12, 2014, 08:48:37 PM »

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #347 on: February 12, 2014, 08:54:59 PM »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #348 on: February 12, 2014, 09:07:03 PM »
Tip of the iceberg.

have you actually looked at any of the cases on here...I have

Does anyone have a similar list for Portugal...
Montclair said in 30 years he had never known a successful appeal so the answers probably no...
if cipriano was English she would certainly be on this website

Estuarine

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #349 on: February 12, 2014, 10:26:18 PM »
I don't think all Portuguese coppers are bent and I don't base my opinions on one man. A portuguese friend described the GNR as the Drunk Police...perhaps a Portuguese poster would like to comment...there have been other cases where Portuguese justice looks unfair involving british poeple


Yeah that's about as reliable as me and some friends who should have known better referring to the SPG as the Special Pig Gang. UK police managed to shoot an innocent man. Unless there is an overriding trend for dodgy behaviour then gross assumptions founded on a few isolated events are plain foolish.
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Offline Montclair

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #350 on: February 13, 2014, 09:26:52 AM »
have you actually looked at any of the cases on here...I have

Does anyone have a similar list for Portugal...
Montclair said in 30 years he had never known a successful appeal so the answers probably no...
if cipriano was English she would certainly be on this website

You really love to twist people's words don't you. Even when you have been corrected you continue to spout the same misinterpretations. Of course, there have been many appeals considered and many accepted but gross miscarriages of justice such as Barry George, Birmingham Six and Guilford Four, etc. Many times sentences have been reduced or new trials ordered. I don't know of any cases where evidence has been faked by the police. The advantage of an investigation being run by the judges in the Ministério Público is that there are so many checks and balances, that it is virtually impossible for the police to fake anything in the way of evidence.

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #351 on: February 13, 2014, 09:54:34 AM »
You really love to twist people's words don't you. Even when you have been corrected you continue to spout the same misinterpretations. Of course, there have been many appeals considered and many accepted but gross miscarriages of justice such as Barry George, Birmingham Six and Guilford Four, etc. Many times sentences have been reduced or new trials ordered. I don't know of any cases where evidence has been faked by the police. The advantage of an investigation being run by the judges in the Ministério Público is that there are so many checks and balances, that it is virtually impossible for the police to fake anything in the way of evidence.


This is your post....".I have been in Portugal for almost 37 years and I don't remember any cases of anyone unjustly convicted and jailed and then freed. But somebody else may know more than I do. Of course, they all say they are innocent, don't they? The problem in Portugal, is that there are so many safeguards for suspects that someone is more likely to get away with committing a crime than getting unjustly convicted."



I think you owe me an apology for saying I have twisted your words



Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #352 on: February 13, 2014, 10:04:07 AM »

Yeah that's about as reliable as me and some friends who should have known better referring to the SPG as the Special Pig Gang. UK police managed to shoot an innocent man. Unless there is an overriding trend for dodgy behaviour then gross assumptions founded on a few isolated events are plain foolish.

Talking of foolish I think you need to read and understand my post. I have made NO assumptions...I have just stated FACTS

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #353 on: February 13, 2014, 10:49:31 AM »
You really love to twist people's words don't you. Even when you have been corrected you continue to spout the same misinterpretations. Of course, there have been many appeals considered and many accepted but gross miscarriages of justice such as Barry George, Birmingham Six and Guilford Four, etc. Many times sentences have been reduced or new trials ordered. I don't know of any cases where evidence has been faked by the police. The advantage of an investigation being run by the judges in the Ministério Público is that there are so many checks and balances, that it is virtually impossible for the police to fake anything in the way of evidence.

I understand that to mean there are no gross miscarriages of justice in PT  involving police bad practice or corruption getting convicted an innocent person because of the checks and balances kept in place by the Public Ministry of Justice, that's a very good thing.

Some people's appeals are heard and sentences sometimes reduced. That's fair and good too. So no examples of unjustly convicted, appealed and set free then.

Not a bad record at all!

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #354 on: February 13, 2014, 10:58:56 AM »

So what's with all the beatings going on in Police Stations?  Passing a few dull hours were they?  Any statistics on that?  Apart from Amnesty International, that is.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #355 on: February 13, 2014, 11:43:36 AM »
I understand that to mean there are no gross miscarriages of justice in PT  involving police bad practice or corruption getting convicted an innocent person because of the checks and balances kept in place by the Public Ministry of Justice, that's a very good thing.

Some people's appeals are heard and sentences sometimes reduced. That's fair and good too. So no examples of unjustly convicted, appealed and set free then.

Not a bad record at all!

Yes absolutely no miscarriage of justice in Portugal that has resulted in a prisoner being released.. So no innocent people are ever convicted in portrugal because the system is so perfect...I cant believe any sensible person would believe that...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #356 on: February 13, 2014, 11:50:00 AM »
Yes absolutely no miscarriage of justice in Portugal that has resulted in a prisoner being released.. So no innocent people are ever convicted in portrugal because the system is so perfect...I cant believe any sensible person would believe that...

Every justice system makes mistakes...what this post by Montclair shows is that Portugal is truly corrupt and does not accept its mistakes...not opinion...fact

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #357 on: February 13, 2014, 11:55:41 AM »
Yes absolutely no miscarriage of justice in Portugal that has resulted in a prisoner being released.. So no innocent people are ever convicted in portrugal because the system is so perfect...I cant believe any sensible person would believe that...

There's always Amaral.  He's been wrongfully convicted a couple of times.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #358 on: February 13, 2014, 12:02:31 PM »
There's always Amaral.  He's been wrongfully convicted a couple of times.

No...he couldn't have been...because the Portuguese justice system is so perfect

Offline jassi

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #359 on: February 13, 2014, 12:19:03 PM »
I don't think any justice system is perfect. The answer is not to run foul of the law, wherever you are.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future