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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #420 on: February 16, 2014, 06:27:39 PM »
Do you have a link? excuse me for asking because I know they are anathema to you

Try Google.  Everyone else has to.

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #421 on: February 16, 2014, 06:28:13 PM »
You are so  very wrong Benice and promulgating the myth Eddie and Keela are sent in to detect blood only! God, heard it all now

Everything sent to the FSS was alerted to by both dogs ...

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #422 on: February 16, 2014, 06:31:44 PM »
Edidie is not sent in to search for blood but remnant cadaver scent (obviously in places where no body is there) ......he is a cadaver dog first and foremost even if he can smell blood......if he alerts then the blood dog is sent in to find forensics ie blood, that might shed light in a case, simple as that, no need to complicate matters

That would seem to be the general idea, but Eddie would react to other substances within his training parameters. He wasn't trained to find decomposing semen as far as I know (cf Jersey), but it was clearly within his training parameters as there was still a scent of decomposition, but it wouldn't have, of itself, indicated the presence of a dead body.


Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #423 on: February 16, 2014, 06:33:29 PM »
Try Google.  Everyone else has to.

so no link,  no surprise, as you never ever ever do them


 @)(++(*

I wonder why, I know, it's because you are parroting and can't prove what you say, poor show

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #424 on: February 16, 2014, 06:35:51 PM »
That would seem to be the general idea, but Eddie would react to other substances within his training parameters. He wasn't trained to find decomposing semen as far as I know (cf Jersey), but it was clearly within his training parameters as there was still a scent of decomposition, but it wouldn't have, of itself, indicated the presence of a dead body.


In semen, the substance is cadaverine, a decomposing component in living bodies and also a constituent of pseudo-scents, of which Grime said Eddie would not react to.

But what was the scent that sample pair of pants perfumed with that Eddie was tasked to find in the Sam Parker case?

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #425 on: February 16, 2014, 06:36:27 PM »
Everything sent to the FSS was alerted to by both dogs ...

Yea, but it doesn't prove anything, let's not forget Eddie alerted in more places in 5a (and later with the clothes) than the blood dog did so no blood!

Verandah
Wardrobe
Flower bed
clothes from mccanns
soft toy

no blood, ergo?????
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Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #426 on: February 16, 2014, 06:38:30 PM »
That would seem to be the general idea, but Eddie would react to other substances within his training parameters. He wasn't trained to find decomposing semen as far as I know (cf Jersey), but it was clearly within his training parameters as there was still a scent of decomposition, but it wouldn't have, of itself, indicated the presence of a dead body.

I can't  see tenants or cleaners in 5a leaving sperm around, but if it floats your boat

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #427 on: February 16, 2014, 06:41:48 PM »
Yea, but it doesn't prove anything, let's not forget Eddie alerted in more places in 5a than the blood dog did so no blood!

So John Paul Gordon didn't pace the whole apartment for 45 minutes trying to stem blood from a very bad shaving cut?

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #428 on: February 16, 2014, 06:43:49 PM »
Yea, but it doesn't prove anything, let's not forget Eddie alerted in more places in 5a (and later with the clothes) than the blood dog did so no blood!

Verandah
Wardrobe
Flower bed
clothes from mccanns
soft toy

no blood, ergo?????

Alerting errors?

And as Grime explains, the place a dog alerts is not necessarily the provenance of a source.

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #429 on: February 16, 2014, 06:44:10 PM »
So John Paul Gordon didn't pace the whole apartment for 45 minutes trying to stem blood from a very bad shaving cut?

so what? He didn't bleed in the wardrobe or the verandah or the flower bed or Kate mccanns clothes did he? Seeing as the blood dog said NO to all those

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #430 on: February 16, 2014, 06:45:25 PM »
Alerting errors?

And as Grime explains, the place a dog alerts is not necessarily the provenance of a source.

It has limits like anything else.....

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #431 on: February 16, 2014, 06:46:31 PM »
so what? He didn't bleed in the wardrobe or the verandah or the flower bed or Kate mccanns clothes did he? Seeing as the blood dog said NO to all those

The place a dog alerts is not necessarily the source of the scent.

Grime explains that.

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #432 on: February 16, 2014, 06:53:33 PM »
The place a dog alerts is not necessarily the source of the scent.

Grime explains that.

As I said it has limits, Eddie is not going to alert in a specific room if the bloodbath happened in another one is he? Or are we to believe his nose was so sensitive he smelt the blood on entering the apartment but decided NOT to alert in the hall, kitchen, bath, kids room etc


 funny how this guy bled "all over the apartment" but keela found nothing except at the back of the bloody sofa excuse the pun


well Ferryman, leave it to you now, floors all yours, not convinced by your arguments......they lack

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #433 on: February 16, 2014, 06:56:38 PM »
I suspected the pair from as early as the 4th May 2007 press appeal.

No matter how hard Kate strained she couldn't get a single real tear drop to come out for the cameras.

I've seen better acting on Eastenders.

Possibly. Except that she wasn't acting in an episode of Eastenders. This was real life. Real shock, a real missing child, real flashing lights and cameras.
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Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #434 on: February 16, 2014, 07:01:59 PM »
Possibly. Except that she wasn't acting in an episode of Eastenders. This was real life.

I don't think she was acting, she was distraught, but that doesn't automatically mean her kid was abducted