Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p287.jpg
This interesting handwritten note says that on 9th May 2007 two officers found, on the floor at the back of the parents bedroom, an elasticated hairband.
Please can any Portuguese speaker identify the last word on the 3rd line? Just before the closing bracket. Something like "zircines"?

[Redblossom]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p287.jpg
This interesting handwritten note says that on 9th May 2007 two officers found, on the floor at the back of the parents bedroom, an elasticated hairband.
Please can any Portuguese speaker identify the last word on the 3rd line? Just before the closing bracket. Something like "zircines"?

whilst waiting for  a chicken scrawl translation could you reply to my post here thanks, check back tomorrow, have to run now


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3251.msg124743#msg124743

[pegasus]

It may look like chicken scrawl but IMO the finding of an elasticated hair band in the adult bedroom is important.
The word "chao" if correct indicates that the hairband was found on the floor.
The word "traseira" if correct indicates it was found at the back of the room.
IMO "back" means the south end of the room.
So why was it not found until 9th May? Maybe it was not clearly visible.
For example - just one possibility - maybe the elasticated hairband was under the single bed closest to the adult bedroom door-window?
Current investigators would need to ask the 2 officers from Aljezur who found the hairband.

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p287.jpg
Re the elasticated hairband found on 9th May 2007.
Because of the possibility this might hypothetically have belonged to the victim IMO it is important to decipher this handwritten note.

Re the possible presence of the words "chão" and "traseira"
Do those words (if correct) mean that the elasticated hairband was INSIDE on the floor at the back of the south bedroom?
Or that it was OUTSIDE on the ground to the back of the south bedroom?
Needs a native speaker to transcribe the portuguese handwriting word by word?

SY and PJ Porto can easily check the exact location by contacting officer SB (Aljezur station 2007), and also by checking whether the item is still stored in archives and if so whether or not  it matches the one worn.
(Corrected)

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p287.jpg

Dia 09 Maio de 2007, circa des 0600, Satchela

Barroco de Posto de Aljizur entcontran nos traseiros do

quarto des pais da Maddie ( local que ditto encontrava ditto / zircines )

un elastico para e cabelo, abandamento/perdido no chão.

El elastica foi recolhido e ??? ??????.  ????? informando.

Please can a native speaker improve this transcription by confirming whether the portuguese words and grammer are correct and by filling in the blank words.

[pathfinder73]

Yes it's interesting that it was found at the location where I think she exited the apartment. Fell off as she was being carried out is a possibility. Was that the pink hair band that is seen in her last photo?

[Redblossom]

It may look like chicken scrawl but IMO the finding of an elasticated hair band in the adult bedroom is important.
The word "chao" if correct indicates that the hairband was found on the floor.
The word "traseira" if correct indicates it was found at the back of the room.
IMO "back" means the south end of the room.
So why was it not found until 9th May? Maybe it was not clearly visible.
For example - just one possibility - maybe the elasticated hairband was under the single bed closest to the adult bedroom door-window?
Current investigators would need to ask the 2 officers from Aljezur who found the hairband.

I have read a page that mentions the hairband found in the parents bedroom but cant locate it right now....and its not page 287 of vol II

Do you know the page it was referred to, apart from this handwritten note, also why is this important anyway?

[pathfinder73]

Outros Apensos IV; vol 2.

Pages 285 - 287


Guide

Complainant : PJ

Arguido: Robert Murat and others

NUIPC: 201/07.0 Galgs, Section: 4th Brigade. Inspector Joao Carlos

The undersigned officer remits the following articles to the PJ:

Portimao 14 December 2007

To be Deposited:

1. An envelope containing one elastic band made of synthetic material, used to tie hair.

2. An envelope containing one plastic bag from C.M in Lagos and one woven bag containing a stone.

3. An envelope containing a green children’s jacket with the label “Saccor”, size 4 and a child’s vest, with the label Palomino, size 98 with a floral pattern.

4. An envelope containing a pink and orangey brown blanket.

5. An envelope containing a pair of “Chico” children’s sports shoes.

6. A plastic bag from the “Alisuper” supermarket containing various items of clothing, namely a checked shirt, two pairs of trousers and three empty and torn bin bags.

7. An envelope containing one pair of blue and grey children’s socks.

8. A plastic bag containing baby toys.

9. An envelope containing six buccal swabs with samples, supposedly blood (Rua 25 de Abril nº 14, P da L).

10. An envelope containing one blue and red Clarkes sports shoe.

11. An envelope containing a pink child’s sock.

12. An envelope containing a cotton corset, edged with a floral border.

13. An envelope containing a red and white piece of child’s clothing.

Page 287

Handwritten note referring to item 1

On 9th May 2007 at 06.00 a police officer from Aljezur found (at the back of Maddie’s parents bedroom) an elastic hair band abandoned/dropped on the floor.

(Can’t make out the sentence that follows).


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9. An envelope containing six buccal swabs with samples, supposedly blood (Rua 25 de Abril nº 14, P da L).

Anyone know anymore about this? Smithman last seen on this street.

[jassi]

I don't understand the significance of this, but as a matter of interest, when was this rubber hairband first mentioned by Kate - before or after it was found ?

[pathfinder73]

Depends where it was found. They didn't know about it. This was found on 9 May by police. They moved into 4G on the 4 May.

[Redblossom]

Thanks pathfinder, got the page now though I still dont see the relevance of anyone finding a hairband on the floor or anywhere else on any day


 

[Wonderfulspam]

Thanks pathfinder, got the page now though I still dont see the relevance of anyone finding a hairband on the floor or anywhere else on any day


 

'Hairdresser Suspects"

[pegasus]

Potentially important because the missing person was wearing an elasticated hairband on 3rd May.
What if SY have missed this hard to read handwritten portuguese note?
Hope SY/PJPorto retrieve the hairband out of the archives to obtain colour - what if it is pink?
And ask officer B of Aljezur for exact location. South bedroom? Garden below it?

[Redblossom]

'Hairdresser Suspects"

PMSL!

stop it!

[Redblossom]

Potentially important because the missing person was wearing an elasticated hairband on 3rd May.
What if SY have missed this hard to read handwritten portuguese note?
Hope SY/PJPorto retrieve the hairband out of the archives to obtain colour.
And ask officer B of Aljezur for exact location. South bedroom? Garden below it?

pegasus, you are very cryptic and not the spit it out kind of person


So what? If a hairband of Madeleines was found? In a place she lived for a week?What can this mean?

Sorry if Im being slow or thick here!