Leonor Cipriano, her confession and subsequent silence in the killing of her daughter Joana.

[Anna]

Oh I see, none of  their famiy or friends believe them, or know what to believe, so didnt bother supporting them in any way, even if hey were "poor" and had to go out each day to earn a "meagre living"cheers

Her family and friends did fully support her in the 2009 appeal. Unfortunately it was all in vain, as Joao denied writing  and signing his statement and the appeal was denied.

[Redblossom]

Her family and friends did fully support her in the 2009 appeal. Unfortunately it was all in vain, as Joao denied writing  and signing his statement and the appeal was denied.

So many denials all the time, from every singke quarter, ho hum, and her other half has left her to rot in jail and taken up with someone else, ok

I see the support

[Mr Gray]

So many denials all the time, from every singke quarter, ho hum, and her other half has left her to rot in jail and taken up with someone else, ok

I see the support

no material evidence to support the conviction...an absolute disgrace...but of course if it helps to support the proven liar amaral...the ciprianos are collateral damage

[Carana]

Oh I see, none of  their famiy or friends believe them, or know what to believe, so didnt bother supporting them in any way, even if hey were "poor" and had to go out each day to earn a "meagre living"cheers

I gave those two as examples - because they were mentioned in that article.

A different article, written 5 years after her disappearance, states that the locals believe she was either sold or kidnapped. So they don't seem to believe the "official" version, either.

As to why they haven't clubbed together to start a campaign... who knows?

Perhaps they have no idea how to start one or feel that there is no point after the Supreme Court ruling. I haven't noticed any campaigns on other cases, either... perhaps it's not part of the culture to speak openly against the authorities, particularly in a country in which criticism of a public official can find you slapped with criminal defamation charges.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=1359033&page=1

http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.pt%2Finicio%2Fportugal%2Finterior.aspx%3Fcontent_id%3D1359033%26page%3D1


Extract of the article in Google speak:
Residents of Figueira believe that Joan was sold or kidnapped

by LUSA 11 setembro 2009
Five years after the disappearance of Joana Cipriano, the population of Figueira, where he lived, do not forget the case and since then keeps alive a sense of mistrust of strangers: almost everyone believes that the girl was abducted or sold.

Joan, aged eight, disappeared from that village in the municipality of Portimão Algarve to September 12, 2004, about 20:30, after shopping at a cafe near home at the request of the mother.

Speaking to Lusa, several residents say the disappearance of Joana "awakened" a sense of insecurity in the village, "forcing a constant attention and vigilance."

"I now have more attention, not only to my children but also other children I see on the street," says António Fernando, father of two children aged three and six years.

"I remain ever mindful of all movements of strangers and even acquaintances, especially when approaching children, because you never know who around us," he noted, adding that distrust increases when "outsiders are spotted trying to talk to minors. "

Cristina Campos, mother of an eight year old girl, sharing the same sentiment: "Even the neighbors came to distrust."

[Redblossom]

Her family and friends did fully support her in the 2009 appeal. Unfortunately it was all in vain, as Joao denied writing  and signing his statement and the appeal was denied.

So her family didn't support her ie her brother!!!

they both blamed each other ith all sorts. Hardly "normal" in a missing child case

[Redblossom]

I gave those two as examples - because they were mentioned in that article.

A different article, written 5 years after her disappearance, states that the locals believe she was either sold or kidnapped. So they don't seem to believe the "official" version, either.

As to why they haven't clubbed together to start a campaign... who knows?

Perhaps they have no idea how to start one or feel that there is no point after the Supreme Court ruling. I haven't noticed any campaigns on other cases, either... perhaps it's not part of the culture to speak openly against the authorities, particularly in a country in which criticism of a public official can find you slapped with criminal defamation charges.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=1359033&page=1

http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.pt%2Finicio%2Fportugal%2Finterior.aspx%3Fcontent_id%3D1359033%26page%3D1


Extract of the article in Google speak:
Residents of Figueira believe that Joan was sold or kidnapped

by LUSA 11 setembro 2009
Five years after the disappearance of Joana Cipriano, the population of Figueira, where he lived, do not forget the case and since then keeps alive a sense of mistrust of strangers: almost everyone believes that the girl was abducted or sold.

Joan, aged eight, disappeared from that village in the municipality of Portimão Algarve to September 12, 2004, about 20:30, after shopping at a cafe near home at the request of the mother.

Speaking to Lusa, several residents say the disappearance of Joana "awakened" a sense of insecurity in the village, "forcing a constant attention and vigilance."

"I now have more attention, not only to my children but also other children I see on the street," says António Fernando, father of two children aged three and six years.

"I remain ever mindful of all movements of strangers and even acquaintances, especially when approaching children, because you never know who around us," he noted, adding that distrust increases when "outsiders are spotted trying to talk to minors. "

Cristina Campos, mother of an eight year old girl, sharing the same sentiment: "Even the neighbors came to distrust."

Abducted or sold, right! I wonder which is the norm

[Carana]

So her family didn't support her ie her brother!!!

they both blamed each other ith all sorts. Hardly "normal" in a missing child case

I don't find that surprising in a police bluff situation, with the main suspects held on remand with leaky fans down to
Correio da Manhã (CdaM), the main tabloid. CdaM does seem to have been the main unofficial outlet for the PJ back then (at least in view of John's articles on the case).

I don't actually know whether the TV guide promo blurbs at the time were actively promoting prime-time matinée shows at the time, or whether this was a later invention.

[Redblossom]

I don't find that surprising in a police bluff situation, with the main suspects held on remand with leaky fans down to
Correio da Manhã (CdaM), the main tabloid. CdaM does seem to have been the main unofficial outlet for the PJ.

I don't actually know whether the TV guide promo blurbs at the time were actively promoting prime-time matinée shows at the time, or whether this was a later invention.

have you been onthe wacky backy?

[Carana]

have you been onthe wacky backy?

Lol Red, no.

I'm trying to establish whether there is any credible evidence beyond a "reconstruction" in dubious circumstances, presented at a murder trial concerning a still-missing child, following a long-term mega media blitz by the unofficial PJ PR outlet.

Would "wacky backy" (whatever that may be) be helpful to make sense of this, do you think?

[Eleanor]

So where is the official statement, or some kind of proof of Leonor's confession to The Magistrate?

Not that I expect a reply to this request.  But I would like to see it so that I might reevaluate my stance on this matter.  Plus The Date of said statement, of course.

[Carana]

So where is the official statement, or some kind of proof of Leonor's confession to The Magistrate?

Not that I expect a reply to this request.  But I would like to see it so that I might reevaluate my stance on this matter.  Plus The Date of said statement, of course.

I expect that various posters on here will tell you to go to where ever * the files are held and consult them for yourself.

My view is that she may well have done, but the circumstances of what led up to this are so obscure that I don't give it much credence in terms of what actually happened to this little girl.

*Typo

[Eleanor]

I expect that various posters on here will tell you to go to whether the files are held and consult them for yourself.

My view is that she may well have done, but the circumstances of what led up to this are so obscure that I don't give it much credence in terms of what actually happened to this little girl.

Nor me neither.

So John's insistance that it is irrefutable is decidedly suspect.  This poor frightened woman could well have been offered a deal.  Just as we have always known that Kate McCann was.

[Carana]

@ Leanor

I haven't found anything against João either concerning this case.

[Eleanor]

@ Leanor

I haven't found anything against João either concerning this case.

Nor have I.  Sadly, he tends to be forgotten because no one saw photos of him covered in bruises.  Although I did read somewhere that someone witnessed him being kicked by a PJ Officer.
I think it might have been Leandro Silva, but that is just from memory.

[Redblossom]

Maybe he was kicked after he confessed....and not before
No way of knowing is there? Did he ever retract his confession?

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