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(Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« on: February 05, 2014, 10:38:07 PM »
Witness Statement

Derek Flack


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DEREK_FLACK.htm


Witness Statement

Lance Purser


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LANCE_PURSER.htm



5th August 2008

Daily Telegraph


Madeleine McCann: Portuguese police had pictures of suspects but did not release them

Portuguese police had detailed images of two suspects in the Madeleine McCann case three days after she disappeared but refused to release them.




The e-fits have been finally published 15 months after the three-year-old vanished from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz last May.
 
The pictures could have played a vital part in helping to eliminate suspects or stop any abductor from fleeing the country with Madeleine.
 
In the UK, pictures of suspects are released nationwide and printed in as many outlets as possible to help police track wanted people down as soon as possible in the days after a child goes missing.
 
However, police did not show the pictures to anyone, including Kate and Gerry McCann in the days that followed Madeleine's abduction and insisted a case must be closed before they can release pictures of the suspects.
 
Yesterday, a friend of the Kate and Gerry McCann said it was "frankly outrageous" that neither e-fit was disclosed.

 The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the couple had no idea that the images existed until they were released yesterday in the case files made available by the Portuguese police.
 
"This material was never shown to Kate, Gerry, Jane Tanner or anyone else in the group," he said.
 
"Seeing it in the files is the first they have known about it. Again, one has to ask what the police were doing by not making this material available at the time."
 
The similar images of a young, white man with dark and deep set eyes was put together from sightings by British holidaymaker Derek Flack and British expat Lance Purser.
 
Mr Flack saw a man acting suspiciously around the McCann's holiday apartment just before Madeleine went missing.
 
Mr Purser said he had seen a similar man in the weeks running up to her disappearance.
 
But neither e-fit was released and the only image Portuguese police circulated was a picture described as nothing more than an "egg with hair".
 
They said they could not release any images because of secrecy laws and the fear of prejudicing any further investigation.
 
But a friend of the McCanns said: "It is frankly outrageous that information relating to potential suspects was not made available as a matter of extreme urgency once it was clear what had happened.
 
"The early stages of this were crucial and the police of all people should know that. Seeing these images has come as a shock to everyone concerned."
 
The e-fits emerged as the public prosecutor overseeing the case heavily criticised the police, describing their actions as an "enormous margin of error".
 
In the 58-page report, prosecutors Jose de Magalhaes and Joao Melchior Gomes said: "The investigators are well aware that their work is not exempt from imperfections.
 
"They worked with an enormous margin of error and they achieved very little in terms of conclusive results."
 
They went on to say that the disappearance of Madeleine was not a plot from a book, but a serious crime without a satisfactory ending.
 
"This is not, unfortunately, a police story, a crime fit for the investigative mind of a Sherlock Holmes or a Hercule Poirot, guided by the illusion that the forces of law and justice always restore order."
 
Mr Flack, a freelance engineer designer from Ilford in Essex, has a holiday home in Praia da Luz, near the McCann's family's apartment at the Ocean Club resort.
 
On either May 2 or 3 last year – the day Madeleine disappeared – he saw a man standing near a dirty white van, staring intently at the couple's ground floor veranda.
 
He said he noticed that the man – aged between 25 and 35, tanned, medium height, with thick dark hair and fringe - was behaving oddly.
 
"He then realised the man was staring fixedly at the area in question, very focused on what he was doing, and did not notice Flack's presence," the transcript of his interview said.
 
When Mr Flack heard about Madeleine's disappearance, he immediately linked the two and contacted the police.
 
"He said he did not remember seeing the man there before, or anywhere else in Luz, since Madeleine's disappearance."
 
Mr Purser, 65, made a formal statement to police on the same day as Mr Flack, giving details about a suspicious man loitering around the town on his own.
 
The property manager said he had seen a thin white man, aged around 35, with dark straight collar length hair, whose skin had been aged by the sun.
 
The hunt for Madeleine was the biggest ever carried out Portuguese police but the public prosecutor said very little had been achieved.
 
"No element of proof whatsoever was found which allows us to form any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances (of Madeleine's disappearance)."
 
Mr Magalhaes defended the McCanns' decision to leave their children alone in the apartment, saying they had not considered their children to be in any danger.
 
The prosecutor said all the theories – including the possibility that the couple had accidentally killed their daughter and disposed of her body – had come to nothing.
 
"While it is a fact that Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club apartment, the circumstances and manner of how this happened is not known."
 
It also emerged that Mr McCann was sent an email from a Dutch internet café from someone claiming to have information about the abduction of his daughter.
 
The email, dated June 18, demanded two million Euros and claimed “I know the hideout, name, address, everything of (sic) the kidnappers.”
 
The files also showed that the “Tapas Nine” had drunk between two and three bottles of wine between them, destroying the theory that the group was drunk.
 
Details of Robert Murat’s interview with police were disclosed and he told officers he was at home with his mother on the night Madeleine disappeared.
 
The only other arguido in the case - who was cleared alongside the McCanns last month - admitted having pornography on his computer, but said the images were only of naked women and not children.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2505636/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-police-had-pictures-of-suspects-but-did-not-release-them.html
« Last Edit: February 06, 2014, 08:53:27 PM by Mr Moderator »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: (Derek Flack Statement) Man
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 10:41:03 PM »
6th August 2008

Daily Record

Revealed: Suspect images the cops never released in hunt for Madeleine McCann

PORTUGUESE police hunting Madeleine McCann kept two chilling images of possible suspects secret.



The man in one of the pictures was seen staring intently at the tot's holiday apartment block hours before she was kidnapped.
 
But the bungling Algarve cops didn't release the image. And they also kept a second efit hidden, even though it was strikingly similar to the first.
 
Both efits were drawn on May 6 last year, just three days after Madeleine, three, vanished from the resort of Praia da Luz.
 
The police had virtually no other leads but they still decided not to act on the images.
 
Instead, they buried them in their files, which have only just been made public 14 months on from the abduction. Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, never got a chance to see the efits at the time.
 
The first efit shows a man who was seen acting suspiciously outside Madeleine's apartment.
 
British holidaymaker Derek Flack, 64, was out for a walk with his girlfriend when he saw the man in the street outside at the Ocean Club resort, where Madeleine was staying with her parents and her twin brother and sister.
 
Derek, of Ilford, east London, was struck by how suspicious the man looked.
 
And when he heard that a child had been snatched from the Ocean Club, he took his concerns to the police.
 
The police file from their interview with Derek says: "He realised the man was staring fixedly at the area in question, very focused on what he was doing and did not notice Flack's presence."
 
The suspect appeared to be looking at a van, which was parked near a path that led to the back of the McCanns' apartment. The police report says: "Flack concluded that the man was monitoring movements near that path and into the apartment.
 
"The man looked suspicious, he was watching the apartment.
 
"Flack said he does not remember seeing the man there before, or anywhere else in Luz, or since Madeleine's disappearance."
 
Derek said the suspect was suntanned and looked to be aged between 25 and 35. He was convinced the man was not a tourist.
 
On the same day Derek spoke to the police, a second witness came forward to tell them about a man he had seen hanging around Praia da Luz.
 
British expat Lance Purser, 45, said he had spotted the man in the town several times about a fortnight before Madeleine was taken.
 
He described the suspect as thin and scruffy, aged about 35 to 40 and usually dressed in dark clothes.
 
Lance added that the man "looked like he could have some slight psychological problems".
 
The police used Lance's description of the man to draw up a second efit. The suspect in the picture had the same sunken eyes and thin nose and lips as the man described by Derek Flack.
 
It's not clear whether the police had shown Derek's efit to Lance.
 
If they had been published, the efits would have been seen by millions of people around the world.
 
But the cops decided to suppress them because of Portugal's strict judicial secrecy laws and because they were worried about prejudicing any future inquiries in the case.
 
Instead, they released a bizarre image described at the time as "an egg with hair". British journalists presented with the meaningless sketch could not believe what they were seeing.
 
Critics of the Portuguese cops will be staggered by their actions.
 
British police routinely publish efits, particularly in the most serious cases, because they know the public respond to them.
 
The search for Madeleine dragged on for more than a year but the cops got nowhere near finding her.
 
Instead, they wasted thousands of hours hounding her parents and innocent British expat Robert Murat.
 
The sheer scale of the police failure is revealed in a damning report by Portuguese prosecutors, released along with the police files.
 
The prosecutors, Jose de Magalhaes e Menezes and Joao Melchior Gomes, said the cops uncovered "very little" about what happened to Madeleine.
 
They added: "The investigators are fully conscious that their work is not exempt from imperfections.
 
"They worked with an enormous margin of error and achieved very little in terms of conclusive results.
 
"This includes the most dramatic thing, ascertaining whether Madeleine is still alive or dead - which seems the most probable.
 
"This is not, unfortunately, a detective novel, a crime scenario fit for the efforts of a Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot, guided by the illusion that the forces of law and justice can always re-establish order." Madeleine vanished while Kate and Gerry ate with friends at a tapas restaurant near the apartment.
 
There was talk at the time that the couple could be charged with child abandonment. But the prosecutors concluded: "It is obvious neither of the defendants acted with intent.
 
"Although they left their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment, sometimes for extended periods, it's true that, in any case, they were keeping an eye on them.
 
"The parents are already paying a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - for their carelessness in monitoring and protecting their children.
 
"It seems obvious to us that the crimes of exposure or abandonment can be eliminated."
 
The Portuguese authorities shelved the inquiry last month and confirmed that Kate, Gerry and Murat were no longer "arguidos" - formal suspects. The move paved the way for the release of the police files.
 
Lawyers for Kate and Glasgowborn Gerry were given access to the files last week. They are now sifting through the papers for leads to pass on to the private investigators hired by the family to carry on the search for Madeleine.
 
McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry "draw strength" from the lack of evidence in the files that their daughter is dead.
 
He added: "They hope against hope she is being held somewhere."
 
The release of the files has added fuel to claims that the police tried to frame the McCanns.
 
Kate and Gerry were targeted after British experts told the cops they had found DNA that could be Madeleine's in the family's hire car.
 
The couple didn't hire the car until 24 days after Madeleine vanished.
 
Among the police files is an email written by a senior British scientist which warned that the DNA findings were not conclusive.
 
The expert, John Lowe, wrote that the test results were "too complex for meaningful interpretation".
 
He added: "We cannot answer the question, 'Is the match genuine, or is it a chance match?'"
 
But later, when the Portuguese cops interrogated Gerry, they told him that Madeleine's DNA had definitely been found in the car.
 
Angry friends of the McCanns say they may sue the cops for trying to force Gerry into a false confession.
 
'This is not, unfortunately, a detective novel, a crime scenario for the efforts of a Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot'

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-suspect-images-the-cops-never-986130
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Offline Mr Moderator

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 08:57:03 PM »
Could we have some suggestions for a name for this man/men which would aid us in the debate.  Suggestions might be Whiteman,  Weirdman, Loiterman, Snooperman etc...

Offline John

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 03:35:03 PM »


These two British men were Ocean Club instructors in May 2007. (indentity withheld by request)

« Last Edit: February 10, 2014, 04:25:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed and an exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2014, 05:13:52 PM »
They look very similar...similar mouth and nose and facial expressions..definitely different men?

Offline John

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2014, 11:54:00 AM »
They look very similar...similar mouth and nose and facial expressions..definitely different men?

They were employees of the resort so had every reason to have been there like so many others.  Was this the reason why the PJ never released the photo fits as they knew who these men were and excluded them from the enquiry?

I think there is a very great danger in this case that SY are in fact going over ground already covered by the Portuguese in 2007.  They are in effect raking over old coals.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 12:02:09 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed and an exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 06:15:53 PM »
They were employees of the resort so had every reason to have been there like so many others.  Was this the reason why the PJ never released the photo fits as they knew who these men were and excluded them from the enquiry?

I think there is a very great danger in this case that SY are in fact going over ground already covered by the Portuguese in 2007.  They are in effect raking over old coals.

Isn't that in fact one of their stated goals? To go over existing information in order to re-assess it?

That's the 40,000 documents they are talking about, isn't it?

Offline John

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 02:58:03 AM »
Isn't that in fact one of their stated goals? To go over existing information in order to re-assess it?

That's the 40,000 documents they are talking about, isn't it?

Yes indeed.  I also believe one of the e-fits released recently during the BBC Crimewatch programme is in fact a waiter at a beach bar also already excluded by the PJ.  There appears to be some confusion over who has and who has not been excluded from the inquiry...not a good sign as far as cooperation is concerned.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed and an exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: (Derek Flack/Lance Purser Statements) Man/Men
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2014, 03:20:09 AM »
Yes indeed.  I also believe one of the e-fits released recently during the BBC Crimewatch programme is in fact a waiter at a beach bar also already excluded by the PJ.  There appears to be some confusion over who has and who has not been excluded from the inquiry...not a good sign as far as cooperation is concerned.

But it could also be, theoretically, that certain people were excluded prematurely, not having been properly followed up.

Such as the 'real' bundleman, who presented himself many years ago.

Much as the officers on the ground are probably on reasonable terms, this is an investigation that contains many inherent conflicts.