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Lyall

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Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #255 on: February 24, 2014, 04:25:44 PM »
If the identification had been stronger, Eleanor, I expect they would have paid a great deal more attention to it. But it was weak.

Offline jassi

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #256 on: February 24, 2014, 04:28:21 PM »
Yer, blame the parents.  So much easier than doing a bit of detecting, don't you think?

Judging by the dossier they finally published, I  believe they did a lot of investigation - just not enough to satisfy you.
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #257 on: February 24, 2014, 04:36:59 PM »
And now the Met believe they have identified the man does it actually advance them one inch?

In May 2007 whether they believed the witness or not the police were looking for a hopefully alive Madeleine all over the country and world, and not a few feet from the apartment she disappeared from.

You really ought to write that police training manual you know. You have more answers than Jane Tennison!

I think you might be right.  I certainly seem to have more basic common sense that The PJ.

And then there was always The Phone Pings.  But The PJ were more interested in the phone traffic between The McCanns and Friends.
Did they even look elsewhere?  I don't think so somehow.  And this was all basic detective work.

I don't understand why you can't see what a cock up they made of it all.

Offline jassi

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #258 on: February 24, 2014, 04:40:44 PM »
I agree they could have done more, like for example, insisted on an immediate  reconstruction of that night's events, but by the time they got around to it, it was too late.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #259 on: February 24, 2014, 04:42:52 PM »
But this person was heading in the wrong direction to be a creche user, so why should the PJ think he was?

It was 9pm.. What is the wrong direction?
And the 'direction' was never clarified..

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #260 on: February 24, 2014, 04:45:47 PM »
The truth of the matter is that Amaral wasn't interested in anything outside of The Family, so to say the least any attempts he made were very half hearted.
And then he went on to write a book saying exactly that.  In his own words.

And according to his last Interview what is happening now is just propaganda.
Someone is making it all up then, are they?

Offline jassi

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #261 on: February 24, 2014, 04:46:16 PM »
I think you might be right.  I certainly seem to have more basic common sense that The PJ.

And then there was always The Phone Pings.  But The PJ were more interested in the phone traffic between The McCanns and Friends.
Did they even look elsewhere?  I don't think so somehow.  And this was all basic detective work.

I don't understand why you can't see what a cock up they made of it all.

Wasn't the phone work done by British police?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #262 on: February 24, 2014, 04:48:50 PM »
I agree they could have done more, like for example, insisted on an immediate  reconstruction of that night's events, but by the time they got around to it, it was too late.

Well, at least we can agree on that. 

The McCanns asked for a Reconstruction, so there was no need to insist.

Offline jassi

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #263 on: February 24, 2014, 04:51:28 PM »
Well, at least we can agree on that. 

The McCanns asked for a Reconstruction, so there was no need to insist.

Yes, insist was the wrong word. They should have just organised and staged it without discussion.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #264 on: February 24, 2014, 04:52:53 PM »
Yes, insist was the wrong word. They should have just organised and staged it without discussion.
No way it would be in front of cameras with actors !

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #265 on: February 24, 2014, 05:00:08 PM »
Wasn't the phone work done by British police?

I don't actually know for sure, but it wasn't the job of British Police to trace Portuguese phone users, or to peruse their criminal records since they won't have had access to those.

But if you are right then it is even more awful.  The PJ had the analysis and then ignored it.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #266 on: February 24, 2014, 05:12:32 PM »
Yes, insist was the wrong word. They should have just organised and staged it without discussion.

Who should have organized it?  Amaral actively refused.

Sorry, I am trying not to be aggressive, but it is mortal hard at times.

However, I would like to say that when someone, you on this occasion, treats my posts with respect, then I am much less likely to be aggressive.
So thank you for that.

Lyall

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Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #267 on: February 24, 2014, 05:15:41 PM »
I think you might be right.  I certainly seem to have more basic common sense that The PJ.

And then there was always The Phone Pings.  But The PJ were more interested in the phone traffic between The McCanns and Friends.
Did they even look elsewhere?  I don't think so somehow.  And this was all basic detective work.

I don't understand why you can't see what a cock up they made of it all.

Find us a perfect investigation then. The truth is there never has been one.

If it was easy we wouldn't need professionals. But you missed the most important part of my post: they were looking for a child they hoped was still alive. That was the priority, not checking everything about an identification that was weak in any case.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #268 on: February 24, 2014, 05:20:58 PM »
Find us a perfect investigation then. The truth is there never has been one.

If it was easy we wouldn't need professionals. But you missed the most important part of my post: they were looking for a child they hoped was still alive. That was the priority, not checking everything about an identification that was weak in any case.

The PJ needed things like that to track down the passage of Madeleine.  How weak they might have thought it was was irrelevant.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?
« Reply #269 on: February 24, 2014, 05:23:17 PM »
they were looking for a child they hoped was still alive. That was the priority, not checking everything about an identification that was weak in any case.
Although one reckons this easily when reading the PJ Files, this is usually ignored. Just because Madeleine wasn't found.