Author Topic: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?  (Read 14957 times)

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Offline Carana

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 07:58:14 PM »
I was re-reading the lost keys story.

Man 1 who was questioned about the 'phone calls' - even in May 2007, said he called his wife to tell her he'd be late due to a colleague not turning up for work.

So, back in 2007 he was investigated? There are questions in files about his phone calls!

He was found by journalists and questioned. He then goes to accuse his co-worker of losing keys, said the keys were replaced, Said he left his job due to having problems with this particular co-worker. I read the file statement of the co-worker too. Very clear, precise. He said he was ready to help the police and would report anything unusual.

When traced now, the co-worker 2 said he never lost the keys.

So, someone is lying? Who? And why?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case

Hard to tell for the moment. Lost doesn't necessarily mean permanently. The guy could have temporarily mislaid them, prior to finding them again and putting them back. If that's the case, no one is necessarily lying.

However, if he had mislaid them, could someone have taken them, over lunchtime for exampe, and had them duplicated without him noticing?

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2014, 08:33:56 PM »
If all of the keys in OC were of the same kind, due to the design of the resort then some of the private owners would have them too.
For the near by locksmith they would not be strange to see because the private apartment owners would come to copy them.
Still, back in 2007 the PJ should have asked the locksmith shops about this and have the report in files.

Offline Kazcutt

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2014, 08:38:22 PM »
And at the front we have discovered that the key the McCanns were given at the start of their holiday is almost certainly a COPY of the original that could possibly point to the kidnapping being an inside job in the complex

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2014, 08:39:28 PM »
Hard to tell for the moment. Lost doesn't necessarily mean permanently. The guy could have temporarily mislaid them, prior to finding them again and putting them back. If that's the case, no one is necessarily lying.

However, if he had mislaid them, could someone have taken them, over lunchtime for exampe, and had them duplicated without him noticing?

The older man is claiming the keys were replaced

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“From my memory I think they were replaced with duplicate keys for the apartments which were held at reception. I remember all this very clearly. He did not want us to tell people about it, so we didn’t say anything.”

Then, the question is, why is he telling this now? And why is the other guy denying?

Also, the PJ were suspecting the older guy on the beginning.. why else would they ask him during his statement who he called that night?

And why only him?

I never seen such question being put to any other member of the staff - this was back in 2007

So, the other question is why was the PJ suspecting only this member of staff?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BERNARDINO-SILVA.htm

Also, seems that he had 'reported' something else back in 2007.. something that is not in files..

Edit: The younger guy has in his statement named two of his colleagues who have visited the MCcCanns apartment. ( but knows that Luis and Mario, his colleagues, were sent there regarding a request to repair a blind and to give explanation as to how to run the washing machine. He assumes that the family of Madeleine was already there; )
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO-SILVA.htm

Seems that 'the blame game' has started quite early in the case!

It could as well be that the younger guy has reported the older guy ..as he also reported the other two guys as visiting the McCanns apartment!
« Last Edit: February 10, 2014, 08:57:56 PM by VIXTE »

Offline sadie

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2014, 08:48:20 PM »
These keys may appear unusual to a British locksmith, but they would seem to be very common in Portugal. If that's the case, any local locksmith would be able to duplicate one quite easily and quickly, I would have thought.
These keys are not likie the British keys in more than one way.  It seems to me that they are not machined for pecision as are out British keys, but either cast or forged.  If cast, depending on the metal used, they might be rather brittle.  Drop them once on hard ground and they might shatter.  However a cast key would be dead easy to make.   Using a split box, fill with the correct sand, tamp well down each half, smooth the surface, then press the key firmly up to its centre line in the sand of each box, so that an impression is made of both sides of the key.  Clamp the two halves together. make an entrance pouring hole and an exit hole. 

Heat the chosen metal (Iron would be the easiest, I think) and once thoroughly molten pour into the mould.  Allow to cool and open the box, tapping the side to allow the key to fall out.  Fettle ...  and Voila a new key.  It could be hardened or subjected to any number of processes to strengthen it.

Forging would, I think, be more difficult, but would provide a tougher key.  I have worked hands on in a foundry and cast metal there, but I have never forged metal except a la blacksmith, by hand.  I have watched the forging process many times. 

I think this key might have been cast in a manner rather like the lead sodiers kids used to make.  Then treated to strengthen and case harden.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2014, 09:02:42 PM »
The journalists should speak to the locksmiths in PDL..and not only PDL but the whole area..

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2014, 09:41:11 PM »
These keys are not likie the British keys in more than one way.  It seems to me that they are not machined for pecision as are out British keys, but either cast or forged.  If cast, depending on the metal used, they might be rather brittle.  Drop them once on hard ground and they might shatter.  However a cast key would be dead easy to make.   Using a split box, fill with the correct sand, tamp well down each half, smooth the surface, then press the key firmly up to its centre line in the sand of each box, so that an impression is made of both sides of the key.  Clamp the two halves together. make an entrance pouring hole and an exit hole. 

Heat the chosen metal (Iron would be the easiest, I think) and once thoroughly molten pour into the mould.  Allow to cool and open the box, tapping the side to allow the key to fall out.  Fettle ...  and Voila a new key.  It could be hardened or subjected to any number of processes to strengthen it.

Forging would, I think, be more difficult, but would provide a tougher key.  I have worked hands on in a foundry and cast metal there, but I have never forged metal except a la blacksmith, by hand.  I have watched the forging process many times. 

I think this key might have been cast in a manner rather like the lead sodiers kids used to make.  Then treated to strengthen and case harden.

I suppose if they had a furnace that could reach 1150 degrees c., it may work.
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Lyall

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Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2014, 10:01:33 PM »
Seeing all this obsession with keys... one could almost think you don't actually believe the back door was left unlocked >@@(*&)

stephen25000

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Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2014, 10:07:26 PM »
Seeing all this obsession with keys... one could almost think you don't actually believe the back door was left unlocked >@@(*&)

Perhaps it wan't. 8)-)))

Redblossom

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Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2014, 10:30:34 PM »
Can't see this "key business" going anywhere at all myself

there's no evidence of anything here IMO

 >@@(*&)

Much ado about nothing probably, no solid fact anywhere at all

Offline pinkblossoms

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2014, 10:33:47 PM »
what difference does it make if the patio doors were locked or unlocked,if the abductor had a front door key  >@@(*&)


Redblossom

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Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2014, 10:36:48 PM »
what difference does it make if the patio doors were locked or unlocked,if the abductor had a front door key  >@@(*&)

Point is they wouldn't need one since they had been watching them for days! And seen the open entrance!

Offline pinkblossoms

Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2014, 10:40:27 PM »
hmm,of course they would need a key to the front door,it was more concealed and less chance of being seen. 

Redblossom

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Re: Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2014, 10:45:09 PM »
I also find the theory that someone misplaced the keys for a temporary period and it just happened that the person waiting to steal them was around at the time got lucky and just happened to nip to the local locksmith and get them copied! Then return them. Then, went on to burgle several flats? Err no...they didnt...if it was a planned abduction as we are told or theorised about,  waiting for someone to mislay their keys or stealing them from a safe is both bonkers and bizarre, you only have to break the bloody door in or use a drill to damage and open the lock

Think I will give the whole theory a miss myself....but the papers can carry on printing crap, that's what they do, wonder what's next


 >@@(*&)
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