Latest reports claim the keys at OC had been stolen?

[jassi]

I find it absolutely astonishing that these workers were so scared about their jobs that they failed to tell the police investigators that a bunch of keys belonging to block 5 at Ocean Club Garden had been lost or more probably stolen.  Appalling!

Well it might be  were  it proved to be true rather than the products of someone's fertile imagination.

[Estuarine]

Where is the evidence of key cutting dave ?

On every street corner in PdL there was a paedophile, a dodgy charity chugger, a person with a bundle and a greasy gitano knife grinder cum key cutter with an eye to main chance.........keep up Stephen 

[stephen25000]

On every street corner in PdL there was a paedophile, a dodgy charity chugger, a person with a bundle and a greasy gitano knife grinder cum key cutter with an eye to main chance.........keep up Stephen 

 

[Redblossom]

Well it might be  were  it proved to be true rather than the products of someone's fertile imagination.

Quite fantastical in so many ways, someone's imagination is definitely working overtime IMO

[colombosstogey]

I find it absolutely astonishing that these workers were so scared about their jobs that they failed to tell the police investigators that a bunch of keys belonging to block 5 at Ocean Club Garden had been lost or more probably stolen.  Appalling!

I think its BALONEY.

One of my many jobs over my life has been a head housekeeper of a large hotel. I had a full set of keys for all the rooms. These keys were collected each morning, and given back to reception at the end of shifts.

IF I had lost the bundle of keys, then i would not have been able to get into rooms, and if i had reported it, then a new set would have had to be obtained.

So someone somewhere would know this, and someone, somewhere would have had to get the keys duplicated.

I take it this was BEFORE the child went missing so why would they be scared to report it.

NONESENSE.

Also in the files it still maintains that the keys for flat 5A was a special key, so hardly simply to have replaced without someone knowing.

No I dont believe this story, its just make believe AGAIN.

[VIXTE]

I find it absolutely astonishing that these workers were so scared about their jobs that they failed to tell the police investigators that a bunch of keys belonging to block 5 at Ocean Club Garden had been lost or more probably stolen.  Appalling!

Yet they claim they quit the same job themselves because they don't like their co-workers..

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think its BALONEY.

One of my many jobs over my life has been a head housekeeper of a large hotel. I had a full set of keys for all the rooms. These keys were collected each morning, and given back to reception at the end of shifts.

IF I had lost the bundle of keys, then i would not have been able to get into rooms, and if i had reported it, then a new set would have had to be obtained.

So someone somewhere would know this, and someone, somewhere would have had to get the keys duplicated.

I take it this was BEFORE the child went missing so why would they be scared to report it.

NONESENSE.

Also in the files it still maintains that the keys for flat 5A was a special key, so hardly simply to have replaced without someone knowing.

No I dont believe this story, its just make believe AGAIN.

But Columbo, keys in this case may have been duplicated, but the fact remains (if there is any truth to these stories) that they went missing.

That in itself would have been cause for concern and something, surely, which would have been an obvious thing to mention to police.

[Carana]

I think its BALONEY.

One of my many jobs over my life has been a head housekeeper of a large hotel. I had a full set of keys for all the rooms. These keys were collected each morning, and given back to reception at the end of shifts.

IF I had lost the bundle of keys, then i would not have been able to get into rooms, and if i had reported it, then a new set would have had to be obtained.

So someone somewhere would know this, and someone, somewhere would have had to get the keys duplicated.

I take it this was BEFORE the child went missing so why would they be scared to report it.

NONESENSE.

Also in the files it still maintains that the keys for flat 5A was a special key, so hardly simply to have replaced without someone knowing.

No I dont believe this story, its just make believe AGAIN.

Well, yes, I can understand that... in theory.

However, the resort wasn't a hotel. Unless the reception and the maintenance shared one key, which doesn't seem to be very convenient for cleaning and maintenance needs, plus the possibility that tenants could lose their own, I would have thought it likely that there would have been more than one spare available per apartment (besides the tenant, and possibly an absent owner).

What makes you think that the key to 5A was different from those of the other apartments? In view of the two burglaries in the same block (one successful, one not), I haven't found any trace of either police reports on these two incidents, or any trace of whether the locks had been changed or not.

It's possible that the occupants had left their windows or doors wide open when these incidents occurred, I suppose, although that might be unlikely in April, depending on the time of day / evening.

[colombosstogey]

Well, yes, I can understand that... in theory.

However, the resort wasn't a hotel. Unless the reception and the maintenance shared one key, which doesn't seem to be very convenient for cleaning and maintenance needs, plus the possibility that tenants could lose their own, I would have thought it likely that there would have been more than one spare available per apartment (besides the tenant, and possibly an absent owner).

What makes you think that the key to 5A was different from those of the other apartments? In view of the two burglaries in the same block (one successful, one not), I haven't found any trace of either police reports on these two incidents, or any trace of whether the locks had been changed or not.

It's possible that the occupants had left their windows or doors wide open when these incidents occurred, I suppose, although that might be unlikely in April, depending on the time of day / evening.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

But Portuguese police have always believed any intruder would have used the FRONT DOOR to enter, knowing the McCanns would never use it that night. He could also have escaped through the shuttered front window to the children's bedroom. For this he would have needed a KEY to the front door. The one the McCanns had for the Ocean Club apartment is known in the locksmiths' trade as a "crucifix key" - and is very unusual because it has four sides. Experienced British locksmith John Reeder told us the key used to take us into the flat yesterday is almost certainly a copy. He said: "Most locksmiths would not be able to copy it without great difficulty. The one in the picture is almost certainly not the original."

Supporting the theory that the kidnap could be an inside job, he added: "I would say it is most likely there is at least one other key in circulation as most locks come with at least two spares when they are cut. But there are not many keys aroun like this one."

[a.baker]

I'm always suspicious when somebody spills their guts to a journo rather than the police. If the other workers knew about the lost/mislaid/stolen keys too,how come nobody has ever come forward before now? After all,a little girls life is at stake! If the guy was worried about his job why didn't he go to police when he jacked his job in? Imo the story is either bull or he is hiding something.

[Estuarine]

I'm always suspicious when somebody spills their guts to a journo rather than the police. If the other workers knew about the lost/mislaid/stolen keys too,how come nobody has ever come forward before now? After all,a little girls life is at stake! If the guy was worried about his job why didn't he go to police when he jacked his job in? Imo the story is either bull or he is hiding something.

I agree and my money would be on the bull

[pathfinder73]

Agreed it sounds like nonsense but I would've followed up on this discrepancy.

Teofilo Manuel Furtado Castela - Administrative Services Manager - Witness statement

Bernardino Silva, told him on Friday, the 04 of May, that the day prior, the date the child went missing, that he saw a strange individual around the resort; .

Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva - Maintenance Worker / Driver - Witness statement

He states that at no moment, did he notice the presence of anyone with an abnormal behaviour, as regards children, or anything else which appeared to be of suspicious nature.
When asked, he says he no longer works for the MW OC for health reasons, he made the decision to resign.
When questioned about having made a telephone call on 3rd May at 21.00.11 having activated antennas in P da L, when his working day finished at 20.30, he says that on this day, as well as on others, he was delayed because he had to carry out the transport, even though it was late, of some tourists.

[Redblossom]

I'm always suspicious when somebody spills their guts to a journo rather than the police. If the other workers knew about the lost/mislaid/stolen keys too,how come nobody has ever come forward before now? After all,a little girls life is at stake! If the guy was worried about his job why didn't he go to police when he jacked his job in? Imo the story is either bull or he is hiding something.

It makes very little sense if any for a long list of reasons

From the article in the first page

The retired man, whose identity we have agreed to protect, said: “I have kept this to myself for long enough, so now it is right to tell people what happened.

Yeah right, so will he be done for withholding vital info for seven years whilst the world and it's wife were running around like headless chickens? Chasing shadows?

I don't believe a word of it myself, not a syllable' there is no "benefit of the doubt" here IMO

[VIXTE]

I'm always suspicious when somebody spills their guts to a journo rather than the police. If the other workers knew about the lost/mislaid/stolen keys too,how come nobody has ever come forward before now? After all,a little girls life is at stake! If the guy was worried about his job why didn't he go to police when he jacked his job in? Imo the story is either bull or he is hiding something.

IMO he is neither a bull or hiding something. He's seen the papers reporting on a driver suspect.. and that driver suspect is HIM.
He then speaks to the journalists to clear his name but to put a blame on someone else.

And why everyone in here is forgetting the fact that the 'suspect OC driver' has been mentioned in the papers earlier this week.. i.e. the same guy!

[Redblossom]

IMO he is neither a bull or hiding something. He's seen the papers reporting on a driver suspect.. and that driver suspect is HIM.
He then speaks to the journalists to clear his name but to put a blame on someone else.

And why everyone in here is forgetting the fact that the 'suspect OC driver' has been mentioned in the papers earlier this week.. i.e. the same guy!

Because you just cannot base anything much on what the papers "say". To do so will result in your wasting your time and energy chasing falsities most of the time. You need more than that to take anything seriously, and in this case with the keys there is nothing of any substance. IMO

Eta there was a spate of totally fabricated news stories in late 2007 (and beyond btw)....when I say totally, there may have been one sentence in them that was true, somethng neutral, the rest was made up around it to suit  whatever agenda was beng served.

I bet many people were shocked when the files were released as they proved to be a concrete source against which you could just check out all the lies peddled

Shameless industry sometimes


Eg this pile of utter nonsense though not the worst example as contains a few sentences whch were true (unrelated ones to the article subject though)

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/7nov7/MIRROR-05-11-07.htm