Holly you seem to be a Jeremy apologist instead of someone objective. How do you account for the fact that Jeremy waited a while to call police from the time he allegedly received the call from Nevill? How do you account for him not taking the 3 minute drive to investigate the outside at least but rather to wait for police to go and then arrive after them?
How do you account for him lying to police saying his sister had fired all the weapons in the house and was proficient with them despite the fact in court he had to admit he didn’t ever see or know her to fire any of them? How do you account for him waiting for police to go in instead of going in himself when he learned police were going to wait it out for hours? Why wasn’t he impatient with police taking so long? Why didn’t he press police to take action? What son would be fine with police waiting well over 3 hours to do something? Why would he call his girlfriend at all let alone before he phoned police? Why would he wake up his girlfriend to tell her that Nevill called him asking for his help because Sheila was running around with a gun? Why wouldn’t he at least investigate and find out what happened before calling her so he could tell her something definite? She wasn’t related to the family so what skin was it off her back that Sheila might or might not harm them?
I will rearrange our tit for tat a little bit but try to keep all the various points we are debating intact.
My narrative was derived from the evidence and testimony. I have no dog in this hunt. I just reconstructed the events based on the available evidence and let the evidence lead me. There are suggestions that a sequence of events that is not supported by any evidence (in the legal field we call this a lack of foundation) just because you want others to believe Jeremy is innocent.
The suggestion that the call could possibly have been made from the office makes no sense and is contradicted by the evidence. The phone company stated a call was placed to Goldhanger and the phone was never hung up at WHF after placing the call. The phone that was off the hook was the kitchen phone. Are you suggesting that the office phone was left off the hook, that Sheila subsequently took the kitchen phone off the hook then hung up the office phone so that no one would know the call had actually come from the office? That makes no sense at all especially for someone in a crazy rage. What would be the purpose in her doing such?
Moreover, Nevill was definitely beaten and shot 3 times in the kitchen not the office. If the phone had been knocked out of his hand in the office and that is where a struggle occurred there would be evidence of that. The struggle was in the kitchen.
I could just present your scenario as is, using the office claim to embarrass you but I will use the kitchen because that is where things went down.
The scenario of Sheila bursts into the master bedroom in a rage screaming and has a rifle in her hands. His parents are awakened in bed, Nevill is panicked that she has a gun and runs down to the kitchen to call Jeremy to ask him to help disarm her, Nevill gets through to Jeremy but as he is speaking Sheila either knocked the phone out of his hands or aims the gun at him and orders him to drop it on the floor. Sheila then marches him back up to the master bedroom. In the master bedroom she shoots her parents. June manages to get near the door before collapsing. Nevill runs downstairs. Sheila is chasing him and fires from the stairs and hits Nevill a 5th time. Nevill gets into the kitchen but doesn’t reach the phone this time so no blood gets on it. Sheila beats him with the rifle breaking the stock then while he is slumped over she shoots him 3 times in the head killing him. She would not have been able to shoot him in the top of the head if he had not been slumped over because he was too tall.
First of all if she didn’t shoot yet WHY would Nevill be calling his son and being open to attack while on the phone instead of trying to disarm her? Their size difference means he had a good chance of disarming her. It makes no sense to sit on the phone waiting to be shot instead of disarming her. But she doesn’t shoot him she just aims the gun at him and he drops the phone? Then he marches up the stairs submissively even though he had no problem moments earlier running down the stairs risking her shooting at him? If he was that submissive then why would he even run down the stairs to the kitchen with her having a gun aimed at him the whole time?
Why would she march him upstairs to shoot him instead of shooting him downstairs?
Why would June just stay in her bedroom doing nothing while she was chasing Nevill downstairs?
Your account not only is unsupported by the evidence it is stupid and makes no sense.
The fact pattern I presented is based on evidence.
The evidence establishes that the shootings started upstairs. June was shot and incapacitated while Nevill wasn’t. Nevill was able to reach the kitchen before being killed. This explains why June didn’t try to run down stairs and out the door while the killer was fighting with Nevill in the kitchen.
Nevill was shot in the bedroom 4 times, shot again from the stairway and finally shot 3 times in the kitchen. He was also beaten severely in the kitchen, so severely that the rifle stock broke. This is what the evidence says happened not what I say happened.
To try to make Jeremy’s account seem plausible you suggest they were marching up and down multiple times before Sheila fired.
If she had not yet fired why would Nevill need Jeremy’s help disarming her? Nevill was big and strong she was small. It was not a pistol it was a rifle. It is easy to wrestle a rifle away from someone because at close distance the person can’t aim the rifle at you. Since a pistol is small it is harder to wrestle away without being shot.
The fact almost all the shots were at close range means Nevill would have been in a position to try to grab the rifle. Why would he run away from her instead of grabbing the rifle away when she was so close?
What could Jeremy bring to the table? Would he have a soothing effect on Sheila? No they didn’t get along well. Was his father to weak to subdue Sheila alone? No, he overmatched Sheila. Did Jeremy have a gun he could bring over to use to counter Sheila? No So if she had not yet fired a shot why would Nevill need Jeremy to come over? What would Jeremy bring to the table? So it still makes no sense to call Jeremy even if your outlandish scenario were true. But it is not true, the evidence establishes the parents were shot upstairs, that Nevill was shot 5 times but still managed to reach the kitchen before being bludgeoned, shot 3 more times and killed.
Which means he was shot at least 5 times before he could have reached the phone. The 3 most severe shots would have rendered him unconscious if not dead straight away. Since there was a scuffle obviously those blows were delivered last. The 5 shots already suffered had to include shot that blew off part of his lip and the shot that shattered his teeth, jaw and voicebox so he would have been unable to speak even if he had reached the phone. At best he could have dialed not stated what Jeremy claims Nevill said and what he claims Nevill said makes no sense for someone who was shot. He would have said Sheila shot your mother and I call police and an ambulance.
It was turned on to police on 8/12 and police turned it over to the lab on 8/13. What desk did it sit in? At any rate how would the victim’s blood get in a desk? The things you speak of would actually be likely to ruin evidence not plant false evidence.
The chain of custody was in fact able to be sufficiently established. The things you point to as far as attacking it are questions for the jury to consider. The jury weighs whether it believes the evidence was contaminated or not.
Provide some evidence that the silencer was stored against blood soaked panties? Provide evidence that blood soaked panties were left in the car without anything to keep them from dripping inside the car and were brushing against the silencer and the silencer was brushing against the panties and areas the panties touched. I know people on the internet like to allege such but that is not evidence.
At any rate, that at best could be used to allege some of Sheila’s blood got on the outside of the silencer. That doesn’t account for blood inside the silencer. Blood would only get inside the silencer if someone who was bleeding were holding it so that the blood could drip inside or from back spatter. There was a substantial amount of blood inside not a tiny drop near the edge. That is why it was able to be tested multiple times over the years, there was a decent supply recovered.
June’s DNA was definitely in the silencer. The appeal courts found that 17 markers matched to Sheila’s which is sufficient to constitute a match to Sheila because the chances of the DNA belonging to someone else was so remote. Here also was DNA of a male mixed in but his full DNA pattern could not be established.
Even if you want to claim Sheila’s got inside from the panties, which is ridiculous, how would that account for June’s DNA? The only explanation is that June was shot with the silencer. The paint evidence suggests that the silencer was on the gun as Nevill struggle with his killer. So the silencer was used during the commission even if not attached when Sheila was shot but evidence suggests it was attached. Why would Sheila put the silencer away? What purpose is served by that? The fact it was put away so police would not know to test it is indicative of someone other than Sheila being the killer.
The appeal court was submitted proof that June’s blood was inside the DNA test was a match so they had not only a blood type match but also DNA. If it didn’t get there from her being shot with the silencer attached then how did her blood get there?
You can claim it is rare as many times as you like, that doesn’t make it true. Back spatter is a common occurrence when there is a contact wound or extremely close wound, it is not rare but rather common to find spatter on and in the weapon. You rclaim that only higg velocity weapons cause back spatter is false. High velocity weapons cause a different pattern of spatter than lower velocity weapons and additionally a high velocity weapon will cause the spatter to travel a further distance. Some of the blood inside the silencer was even animal blood which means the gun was fired close to animals and back spatter resulted.
Scipio: “The police never tested the clothing Jeremy was wearing the night of the murders. He could have changed anyway but we don't know for sure whether he changed all his clothes or not. Jeremy's supporters say the sloppy investigation was bad for Jeremy but it actually was good for Jeremy. Had they investigated him right away they might have found clothing at his house that had blood and other incriminating evidence. Plenty of evidence that could have implicated him he had ample time to dispose of before they ever investigated him.
Nice change of subject. The issue is that JB successfully avoided being tested for blood and GSR and had he been tested he very well could have missed something such as microscopic spatter and could have tested positive for GSR.
As for your suggestion that she washed up and changed then killed herself why would she do that? The allegation is that she was going crazy and decided to kill everyone including herself. Why would she change into clean clothes and wash her body? Where are the dirty clothes she changed out of? The only thing found were panties that had blood because she had been menstruating and the medical examiner found that she had been menstruating before they even looked at the panties. Moreover that would still mean she fired 2 shots into herself after she supposedly cleaned up so still should have at least had a little GSR on her hands and nightgown. Again there was none.
Saying he was the typical lazy guy doesn’t cut it. When else did he leave the weapon out let alone out while his nephews were there? Why would nevill and June not put it away when he failed to do so/ There were some of the questions raised.
Other questions were WHY would he take a gun with no scope and moderator to shoot rabbits? A rabbit is not a big target you want a scope to shoot at them and you want the moderator so you don’t hurt your hearing and don’t cause as much fo a disturbance when you fire especially at night. His claims make no sense to someone objective, especially someone with firearms experience.
The cousin was not the only one to say the scope and moderator were usually not detached and was not the only one to say how careful Nevill was with weapons. The funny part is that you claim the cousins set up Nevill to get the estate but refuse to believe he set his sister up to get the estate. The cousins had no way to know what blood would be in the silencer how could they plant June’s blood in there?
