The time-line revisited.

[pathfinder73]

We've been through this ad nauseum, the only person missing from the tapas for any length of time was Russell.

The Smith sighting was after the alarm being raised not before as Anne correctly said. They want you to think they were at the tapas bar/alibi when Smithman was sighted so the timeline was brought forward to 10pm to cover Smithman.

[AnneGuedes]

They want you to think they were at the tapas bar/alibi when Smithman was sighted so the timeline was brought forward to 10pm to cover Smithman.

They need it more than ever, now that Tannerman turned into Innocentman.

[VIXTE]

The Smith sighting was after the alarm being raised not before as Anne correctly said. They want you to think they were at the tapas bar/alibi when Smithman was sighted so the timeline was brought forward to 10pm to cover Smithman.

Please can you support this statement with links from the files supporting your claim..

[pathfinder73]

Please can you support this statement with links from the files supporting your claim..

Read Matt and Russ interviews. Matt said Kate left at 9.50pm and was back within a few minutes. Russ said he returned at 9.45 and around 5 minutes later Kate left to check when he got his reheated steak. Fiona also said Kate was back quickly - not gone 5 minutes as she said. The alarm was raised 9.55pm at the latest. Of course some didn't know what time it was but they later heard shouting it was 10pm - I wonder who was shouting that time and funny it being the same time of the Smithman sighting lol.

[VIXTE]

Read Matt and Russ interviews. Matt said Kate left at 9.50pm and was back within a few minutes. Russ said he returned at 9.45 and around 5 minutes later Kate left to check when he got his reheated steak. Fiona also said Kate was back quickly - not gone 5 minutes as she said. The alarm was raised 9.55pm at the latest. Of course some didn't know what time it was but they later heard shouting it was 10pm - I wonder who was shouting that time and funny it being the same time of the Smithman sighting lol.

This is proof of nothing..
Not even the Smiths cannot be sure when exactly the sighting happened.
If there was a cctv then a different thing.
But Scotland Yard can prove the timings.. do you know how? By matching the times of Smiths phones pinging the towers and same time matching the Tapas group phones.
I know of a case that was solved like this.. i.e if Gerry's phone was 'close' to the Smiths phone then it could be Gerry who was carrying Madeleine. But if Gerry's phone was 'close' to Tapas group phones then it wasn't him.
Simple.
We are not privy to this information but I believe SY has it.
They also can know whose phone was close to Smitsh phones.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly this is the 'evidence' - reason SY is asking PJ to question someone.
As I said, I know of a case where that has happened before..

[jassi]

This is proof of nothing..
Not even the Smiths cannot be sure when exactly the sighting happened.
If there was a cctv then a different thing.
But Scotland Yard can prove the timings.. do you know how? By matching the times of Smiths phones pinging the towers and same time matching the Tapas group phones.
I know of a case that was solved like this.. i.e if Gerry's phone was 'close' to the Smiths phone then it could be Gerry who was carrying Madeleine. But if Gerry's phone was 'close' to Tapas group phones then it wasn't him.
Simple.
We are not privy to this information but I believe SY has it.


They also can know whose phone was close to Smitsh phones.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly this is the 'evidence' - reason SY is asking PJ to question someone.
As I said, I know of a case where that has happened before..

In this senario, you make the assumption that the person is actually carrying their phone at that time.

[VIXTE]

In this senario, you make the assumption that the person is actually carrying their phone at that time.

That can be easily proven. If he did use his phone during the dinner then it was with him. If it was left on the table then there could be witnesses to this too.

But the most important is to find the phones that were near the Smiths all during their walk.. - and with some hard work this can be done too..

[pathfinder73]

The time of the Smith sighting was 10.03pm. Someone didn't forget that exact time for very good reason.

[jassi]

That can be easily proven. If he did use his phone during the dinner then it was with him. If it was left on the table then there could be witnesses to this too.

But the most important is to find the phones that were near the Smiths all during their walk.. - and with some hard work this can be done too..

No, all it would prove is that the phone was used. Even if left, it may not have been in open view, but for example, in someone else's  handbag or coat pocket.

[pegasus]

The Smith sighting was after the alarm being raised .....

IMO it is possible to go further.
Here is a hypothetical sequence
A = last check ends
B = alarm raised at restaurant
C = group arrive back at street gate of apartment and only a few enter
D = someone discovers something
E = ditto leaves apartment
F = ditto seen by witnesses
The big point to note is: D occurs after C. Possible?

[pathfinder73]

It happened when Gerry said let's all split up and look for her.

[pegasus]

Mr Amaral seemed to have several possible sequences but his main one IMO put discovery during the last check.
So amending Mr Amarals theory to A B C D E F is a revelation Mr Amaral missed IMO.

[pathfinder73]

Mr Amaral seemed to have several possible sequences but his main one IMO put discovery during the last check.
So amending Mr Amarals theory to A B C D E F is a revelation Mr Amaral missed IMO.

I don't agree with Amaral. I think it happened 6.45 to 7pm when the daily routine changed for the first time.

[Redblossom]

This is proof of nothing..
Not even the Smiths cannot be sure when exactly the sighting happened.
If  there was a cctv then a different thing.
But Scotland Yard can prove the timings.. do you know how? By matching the times of Smiths phones pinging the towers and same time matching the Tapas group phones.
I know of a case that was solved like this.. i.e if Gerry's phone was 'close' to the Smiths phone then it could be Gerry who was carrying Madeleine. But if Gerry's phone was 'close' to Tapas group phones then it wasn't him.
Simple.
We are not privy to this information but I believe SY has it.
They also can know whose phone was close to Smitsh phones.
I wouldn't be surprised if exactly this is the 'evidence' - reason SY is asking PJ to question someone.
As I said, I know of a case where that has happened before..

What have the tapas group phones have to so with the smith sighting?

Btw


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ping/phonemapAP13345.jpg

Gerry  Mccann no phone pings before 11 pm plus on 3rd may

and from his sept  statement:
He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet

[pegasus]

I don't agree with Amaral. I think it happened 6.45 to 7pm when the daily routine changed for the first time.

IMO discovery after rushback fits better.