The initial time-line and events immediately after 10pm.

[John]

Russ's initiative was to try to get the timeline down, as in when could this have possibly taken place. I personally think that that was quite sensible before people's minds blanked out in the trauma of the situation.

Absolutely, good thinking.

[AnneGuedes]

Immediately after the alert that Madeleine was gone, her parents wouldn't have been in any fit state to contact anyone.  The term 'headless chickens' comes to mind. The wailing episodes in reception and in the bedroom of apartment 5a would bear this out.

In fact, I don't know how they can remember much of those initial events as the mind tends to blank out such trauma?

Come on, John, weren't they in fit state to know immediately and without a doubt that it was an abduction ?

[pegasus]

Russ's initiative was to try to get the timeline down, as in when could this have possibly taken place. I personally think that that was quite sensible before people's minds blanked out in the trauma of the situation.

Agreed. It was a sensible thing to do. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that this witness is completely honest. And BTW one of the PJ officers in 5A in the early hours of the 4th specifically said he wanted that written timeline.

[AnneGuedes]

Russ's initiative was to try to get the timeline down, as in when could this have possibly taken place. I personally think that that was quite sensible before people's minds blanked out in the trauma of the situation.

Even a week after ?

[AnneGuedes]

Agreed. It was a sensible thing to do. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that this witness is completely honest. And BTW one of the PJ officers in 5A in the early hours of the 4th specifically said he wanted that written timeline.

No PO asked for a timeline to be done.
Who isn't completely honest, Pegasus ?

[AnneGuedes]

Gerry and Matt had been trying to get the OC to ring the police.

It's not clear who suggested to Mr Oldfield to ask the reception to call the police. Mr McCann made no direct attempt and rejected an offer.

[Eleanor]

Come on, John, weren't they in fit state to know immediately and without a doubt that it was an abduction ?

What has that got to do with who phoned The Police?  That is what sent them into a state and made them unable to function normally.

[Eleanor]

It's not clear who suggested to Mr Oldfield to ask the reception to call the police. Mr McCann made no direct attempt and rejected an offer.

Only because he thought someone had already done it.  Stop twisting things.

[Silkywhiskers]

Russ's initiative was to try to get the timeline down, as in when could this have possibly taken place. I personally think that that was quite sensible before people's minds blanked out in the trauma of the situation.

yes its a shame that his preparations and foresight did not include removing himself and others from the "crime scene".

Doctors know about crime scenes...it's part of their training to leave any unattended death scene undisturbed until LE arrive. 

[Mr Gray]

yes its a shame that his preparations and foresight did not include removing himself and others from the "crime scene".

Doctors know about crime scenes...it's part of their training to leave any unattended death scene undisturbed until LE arrive.

They were searching the apartment for Maddie

[Silkywhiskers]

They were searching the apartment for Maddie

Kate had already searched...

How long does it take to thoroughly search a 2 brm holiday apartment?  How many people does it need?

Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

[AnneGuedes]

ah,  but that would be making the assumption that Oldfield was involved in the  'concoction' 

What if he was innocently speaking the truth about what occured that night,   ?   ...  there might be a need,  then,  mightn't there,  to  'incorporate'   his recollections into the  'Jane saw the abductor making off with Madeleine at 9.15 '   story 

So instead of sticking with the first statement,  where the open curtains/ window/ shutters  were the  first  thing Kate noticed   (  before  she even realised Madeleien was missing  )  Kate changes her mind,  and says she already knew Madeleine was not in her bed  before she noticed the open window  ... only  brought to her  attention when the  (  closed  )  curtains  'whooshed'  up following a timely gust of wind

For it to have been possible for Jane Tanner to have  'seen'  the abductor at  9.15pm  (  as we have reletlessly been told by the McCanns she SHE  DID  )  then the room would have been exactly as he  (  the abductor  )  had left it at 9.15pm

That's how Matthew Oldfield would have found it at 9.30pm  ...  and how Kate McCann would have found it at 10pm

There would have been been no change in the situation in the room between those two checks (  presuming,  as the McCanns insisted,  that Madeleine had been abducted just after Gerry's 9.10pm check  ...  as witnessed by Jane Tanner  ) 

And yet there was

Matthew Oldfied said the curtains were closed when he checked at 9.30pm    ...  and Kate said the curtains were open when she checked at 10pm   (  an anomaly  that could only be explained by any abductor having struck between 9.30pm and 10pm   ....   nixing Tannerman   )

The  anomaly  was   'fixed'  when the story changed

Oldfield did not change his story   ...  Kate changed hers

Not really. The group changed the narrative, since the time-line (the third one) was written down before Mr McCann's second statement. They all signed, i.e responsibility is diluted.

[Mr Gray]

Kate had already searched...

How long does it take to thoroughly search a 2 brm holiday apartment?  How many people does it need?

Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

who said she didnt call maddies name

[Mr Gray]

Kate had already searched...

How long does it take to thoroughly search a 2 brm holiday apartment?  How many people does it need?

Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

how long did it take...how many people searched

[AnneGuedes]

Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

She knew Madeleine couldn't hear her any more.
You're in a public place, suddenly your child isn't where you thought he was, do you start running around madly but silently, or do you scream your child's name ?