The psychology of it all - Is guilt deflected in other ways?

[AnneGuedes]

How could Ms Tanner be more guilty for not having imagined that she was spotting an abduction than Mr McCann who saw a door abnormally open and didn't investigate behind the door ?

[Benice]

How could Ms Tanner be more guilty for not having imagined that she was spotting an abduction than Mr McCann who saw a door abnormally open and didn't investigate behind the door ?

If I found a door in my house more open than I had previously remembered it to be.   The last thing I would think was that someone might be standing behind it.

Neither does it occur to me that every child I see being carried by an adult is being abducted.

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.   It never ceases to amaze me how many people fail to remember that the McCanns nor their friends had the same hindsight as they now have  - and which is constantly and so unfairly used agaiinst them. imo.

[Sherlock Holmes]

How could Ms Tanner be more guilty for not having imagined that she was spotting an abduction than Mr McCann who saw a door abnormally open and didn't investigate behind the door ?

Guilt is not relative.

[AnneGuedes]

Guilt is not relative.

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Actually it was Mr McCann who spoke of Ms Tanner's guilt for not stopping the abductor !

[Estuarine]

Guilt is not relative.

I think we have a problem in this respect with the way language is used. Guilt and innocence are strict absolutes. The issue becomes clouded by "guilty in the eyes of the law" and "innocent in the eyes of the law". "Guilty in the eyes of the law" may not satisfy the strict absolute. Hence miscarriages of justice which we are about!

[Sherlock Holmes]

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Actually it was Mr McCann who spoke of Ms Tanner's guilt for not stopping the abductor !

I was speaking of the fact that Ms Tanner's account of bundleman cannot have been made up and furthermore must have been reasonably accurate, given that SY managed to match her testimony with that of the innocent parent meeting that description who presented himself.

She 'exonerated' herself as an accused illusionist.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think we have a problem in this respect with the way language is used. Guilt and innocence are strict absolutes. The issue becomes clouded by "guilty in the eyes of the law" and "innocent in the eyes of the law". "Guilty in the eyes of the law" may not satisfy the strict absolute. Hence miscarriages of justice which we are about!

Miscarriages of justices also occur because of flaws within the system.

But in the above post I was referencing Anne's comment in which she compared the guilt of Gerry McCann in not spotting a (fictitious, according to Anne) abductor in his apartment, with the guilt of Jane Tanner in not apprehending a (fictitious, according to Anne) bundleman  / abductor.

Hard to understand, logicians of the world, n'est-ce pas?

[AnneGuedes]

Miscarriages of justices also occur because of flaws within the system.

But in the above post I was referencing Anne's comment in which she compared the guilt of Gerry McCann in not spotting a (fictitious, according to Anne) abductor in his apartment, with the guilt of Jane Tanner in not apprehending a (fictitious, according to Anne) bundleman  / abductor.

Hard to understand, logicians of the world, n'est-ce pas?

No, I wasn't discussing guilts, just referring to Mr McCann's comment in an interview. He explained Ms Tanner's feeling of guilt as a consequence of her having been so close to the abductor without reacting, as if himself was free of that feeling while he didn't react to the door more open that he left it, a fact that he underlined in his brief report to the PJ, on the ground and in the middle of the night.
It's as if guilt happens only to others.

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, I wasn't discussing guilts, just referring to Mr McCann's comment in an interview. He explained Ms Tanner's feeling of guilt as a consequence of her having been so close to the abductor without reacting, as if himself was free of that feeling while he didn't react to the door more open that he left it, a fact that he underlined in his brief report to the PJ, on the ground and in the middle of the night.
It's as if guilt happens only to others.

I see what you mean, Anne.

Gerry McCann's failure to confront his feelings of personal guilt takes many interesting forms in this case.

[AnneGuedes]

I see what you mean, Anne.

Gerry McCann's failure to confront his feelings of personal guilt takes many interesting forms in this case.

I don't think that Mr McCann feels like a guilty one, it's not in his nature, he feels like a saviour.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't think that Mr McCann feels like a guilty one, it's not in his nature, he feels like a saviour.

He is blocking it all out.

His denial here takes many forms.

[Eleanor]

No, I wasn't discussing guilts, just referring to Mr McCann's comment in an interview. He explained Ms Tanner's feeling of guilt as a consequence of her having been so close to the abductor without reacting, as if himself was free of that feeling while he didn't react to the door more open that he left it, a fact that he underlined in his brief report to the PJ, on the ground and in the middle of the night.
It's as if guilt happens only to others.

This is just not true.  They all felt guilty for one reason or another.  And they almost certainly still do.  This is a normal reaction to any tragedy.
So suggesting that Gerry didn't feel guilty is a nasty thing to say.

[VIXTE]

I don't think that Mr McCann feels like a guilty one, it's not in his nature, he feels like a saviour.

Oh now we are quasi- psychologists too.

[AnneGuedes]

He is blocking it all out.

His denial here takes many forms.

No, it's not a denial issue. It's being convinced to do the right thing and to know better than anyone what the right thing is.

[jassi]

Oh now we are quasi- psychologists too.

Well why not, some on here pretend to be experts in all sorts of fields, all the time.