Translated documents are prone to errors.

[AnneGuedes]

The point is that some people have been insisting on various threads that there aren't any mistakes in the PJ statements / documents. There were and it is more obvious when reading the original as the nationality appears just above.

Who ?

[Carana]

So why did you say:

At the top of the page in the PT original it states her nationality as Irish (this detail got left out in the online translation for some reason)

?

Would you have preferred it if I had simply said that her nationality was not translated? I don't know why it wasn't, nor why it has been left out of others.

The issue is still that there was a mistake in what the PJ wrote down (however irrelevant it was in that instance).

[AnneGuedes]

What counts is that relevant mistakes are corrected. I would never disturb Pamalam to have her correct or comment this one.

[Carana]

What counts is that relevant mistakes are corrected. I would never disturb Pamalam to have her correct or comment this one.

Why disturb Pamalam when the mistake that John originally noticed was made by the PJ officer in the original?

[AnneGuedes]

Why disturb Pamalam when the mistake that John originally noticed was made by the PJ officer in the original?

If you've read the files, you've seen comments of the translator regarding the original text when it is relevant.
xxx (likely yyy)...

[Carana]

If you've read the files, you've seen comments of the translator regarding the original text when it is relevant.
xxx (likely yyy)...

Sometimes, yes. But not in the instance that John pointed out.

[John]

I don't want to extend this off topic but my own experience of English > Latins and vice-versa translations and especially those of legal documents is that they are never wholly accurate.  It is impossible because Portuguese, Spanish and Italian etc does not translate directly into English.  All a translator can possibly hope for is some sort of assimilation.

[Carana]

I don't want to extend this off topic but my own experience of English > Latins and vice-versa translations and especially those of legal documents is that they are never wholly accurate.  It is impossible because Portuguese, Spanish and Italian etc does not translate directly into English.  All a translator can possibly hope for is some sort of assimilation.

But it wasn't a translation issue: the PJ had noted that she was Irish, but then started the text by describing her as an English citizen.

[AnneGuedes]

But it wasn't a translation issue: the PJ had noted that she was Irish, but then started the text by describing her as an English citizen.

Thanks to you, now, everybody knows that on the same page an  person is identified as "Irish" and then (speaking obviously missing) English ! What a progress !

[AnneGuedes]

I don't want to extend this off topic but my own experience of English > Latins and vice-versa translations and especially those of legal documents is that they are never wholly accurate.  It is impossible because Portuguese, Spanish and Italian etc does not translate directly into English.  All a translator can possibly hope for is some sort of assimilation.

What do you mean, John ?
Do you vaguely understand Danish and Dutch ?

[Carana]

Thanks to you, now, everybody knows that on the same page an  person is identified as "Irish" and then (speaking obviously missing) English ! What a progress !

It wasn't an issue of a word missing, either, as it said "being an English citizen". If it had said, "being an English speaker".

As it happens, the mistake is not important. It is no doubt an inadvertent mistake by the officer typing up the statement (unless the interpreter got it wrong). The issue, IMO, is that it shows that mistakes do happen and may be even more likely to occur in the initial chaos.

[Silkywhiskers]

It wasn't an issue of a word missing, either, as it said "being an English citizen". If it had said, "being an English speaker".

As it happens, the mistake is not important. It is no doubt an inadvertent mistake by the officer typing up the statement (unless the interpreter got it wrong). The issue, IMO, is that it shows that mistakes do happen and may be even more likely to occur in the initial chaos.

I suppose the English would be horrified to know that any one from The UK can be referred to as"English" by those from somewhere else?

Like the Hong Kong Chinese are still referred to as "Chinese" because technically they are, even though their culture is quite different to the mainland?

I think English is a mistranslated use of "from the UK" and not significant in the slightest to anyone outside the UK.

[AnneGuedes]

Why not "being an English speaking citizen" ?

[pegasus]

http://www.legallanguage.com/legal-articles/court-interpreter-arkansas/
During the interview, a detective asked Mendez if he grabbed his girlfriend by the neck. Mendez’s response according to the prosecution’s translation was, “I did that.” But according to the defense’s translation, Mendez responded, “I didn’t do that.”

[Carana]

I suppose the English would be horrified to know that any one from The UK can be referred to as"English" by those from somewhere else?

Like the Hong Kong Chinese are still referred to as "Chinese" because technically they are, even though their culture is quite different to the mainland?

I think English is a mistranslated use of "from the UK" and not significant in the slightest to anyone outside the UK.

But she isn't even from the UK, but from Eire. :)

As it happens, it's totally insignificant in terms of her statement. However, it does illustrate that mistakes can be made. IMO, if the mistake had been in one of the T9's statements, some quarters would have accused them of deception (i.e., it would be considered inconceivable that it was the PJ that had simply made an inadvertent mistake).