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Offline Anna

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2014, 09:51:59 AM »
Was that in Jane's rogatory interview?

Yes it was

Extract:-
 And Bob SMALL rang, erm, rang me on my phone and sort
of said, well he scared the living daylights out of me, because rather than saying ‘The
Portuguese Police want to talk to you’, or you know, ‘I want to pick you up to see the
Portuguese Police’, he said ‘I need to pick you up and take you to see the Spanish
Police but you can’t tell anybody not even Russell’ and all this, so it was sort of a bit
and because he’d said Spanish Police, I thought there was some sort of a strange
conspiracy going on, so it was like, oh, but, I mean, he just got”.
4078 “Got it wrong”.
Reply “He just got mixed up. But that made me even more suspicious because it was like,
so I think at that point, I think I actually spoke to Stewart then, because I thought, I
didn’t even know who Bob SMALL was at that point, so it was like, you know, and
that, we were obviously worried about the Press and everything at that point
« Last Edit: March 13, 2014, 09:54:13 AM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Carana

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM »
If a PJ officer while in Leicester to observe the rogs had referred to the Leic police as the "Garda", the UK press would have been fed articles "PJ dont even know what country they're in"  >@@(*&)

True.

Any cop can make a mistake. LP may well have made others along the way. Grime also made a mistake when he stated that Keela marked the boot behind the driver's door - that wasn't a translation error, either.


Offline John

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2014, 10:34:47 AM »
I observed in the translated Report by Tavares de Almeida that the car boot is called a 'booth'.  Is this for real?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2014, 10:54:12 AM »
I observed in the translated Report by Tavares de Almeida that the car boot is called a 'booth'.  Is this for real?

LOL. An autocorrect typo by whichever volunteer translated it, I expect. English speakers would presumably understand the mistake, but it would be gibberish for anyone trying to translate from the English into another language, unless they could check the original Portuguese. 

Offline Benice

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2014, 10:56:42 AM »
True.

Any cop can make a mistake. LP may well have made others along the way. Grime also made a mistake when he stated that Keela marked the boot behind the driver's door - that wasn't a translation error, either.

Tavares de Almeida also made the mistake of thinking Gerry was a heart surgeon - and used that occupation as a reason why he was able to stay cool and calm.      Completely wrong of course, but whether that clanger  was as a result of a translation error at some time - or just sloppy policework - who knows?

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Gerald McCann's profession is a cardiovascular surgeon.

On many moments of his professional career he had to make decisions in thousandths of a second, which gives him certain 'coldness' and, certainly provokes an increased tiredness
Unquote

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2014, 11:02:22 AM »
Tavares de Almeida also made the mistake of thinking Gerry was a heart surgeon - and used that occupation as a reason why he was able to stay cool and calm.      Completely wrong of course, but whether that clanger  was as a result of a translation error at some time - or just sloppy policework - who knows?

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Gerald McCann's profession is a cardiovascular surgeon.

On many moments of his professional career he had to make decisions in thousandths of a second, which gives him certain 'coldness' and, certainly provokes an increased tiredness
Unquote

That could be a lost-in-confusion / misinterpretation of reaction to stress and/ or translation issue, IMO. 

Offline Benice

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2014, 11:17:19 AM »
That could be a lost-in-confusion / misinterpretation of reaction to stress and/ or translation issue, IMO.

One would think that if the police were going to use GM's profession 'against' him (which is in effect what TdA was doing) then they would make sure they got his profession right in the first place. 

I don't believe Gerry would have said he was a surgeon at any time.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2014, 11:25:35 AM »
One would think that if the police were going to use GM's profession 'against' him (which is in effect what TdA was doing) then they would make sure they got his profession right in the first place. 

I don't believe Gerry would have said he was a surgeon at any time.

Wasn't the context the lollipop-sucking and chatting about football episode while waiting for potentially important information? If so, GA's team may have found this odd, but people relieve stress in different ways.

It could have been a quip from an LP officer if the PJ had mentioned that they'd found the reaction was odd, and who had mistakenly thought that he was a surgeon.

Hardly evidence, more likely banter between cops, somehow relayed to Amaral who took it as fact.


Offline Benice

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM »
Wasn't the context the lollipop-sucking and chatting about football episode while waiting for potentially important information? If so, GA's team may have found this odd, but people relieve stress in different ways.

It could have been a quip from an LP officer if the PJ had mentioned that they'd found the reaction was odd, and who had mistakenly thought that he was a surgeon.

Hardly evidence, more likely banter between cops, somehow relayed to Amaral who took it as fact.

Having read Amaral's twisted interpretation of Kate's reaction to being called back to the Police Station on the 4th May  when she clearly thought they had found Madeleine and arrived in a state of terror as to whether she was still alive or not - only to be  confronted with a photograph of a potential sighting and thus was completely devastated  - I wouldn't believe a word he says about anything which happened on occasions when he wasn't there.

According to Amaral

''Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back''
unquote

Who is this 'we' he talks about.?   He wasn't there.

(OOps sorry I think I'm straying off topic here)




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2014, 01:48:27 AM »
Having read Amaral's twisted interpretation of Kate's reaction to being called back to the Police Station on the 4th May  when she clearly thought they had found Madeleine and arrived in a state of terror as to whether she was still alive or not - only to be  confronted with a photograph of a potential sighting and thus was completely devastated  - I wouldn't believe a word he says about anything which happened on occasions when he wasn't there.

According to Amaral

''Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back''
unquote

Who is this 'we' he talks about.?   He wasn't there.

(OOps sorry I think I'm straying off topic here)

The "we" refers to the entire investigating team, not Amaral the individual.

McCann supporters wish to blame Amaral for everything but at the end of the day, he was just spokesman. Figurehead, leader, but not the sole investigator nor the only one who believe the parents are involved.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2014, 07:49:57 AM »
Having read Amaral's twisted interpretation of Kate's reaction to being called back to the Police Station on the 4th May  when she clearly thought they had found Madeleine and arrived in a state of terror as to whether she was still alive or not - only to be  confronted with a photograph of a potential sighting and thus was completely devastated  - I wouldn't believe a word he says about anything which happened on occasions when he wasn't there.

According to Amaral

''Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back''
unquote

Who is this 'we' he talks about.?   He wasn't there.

(OOps sorry I think I'm straying off topic here)

You are absolutely right Benice...amaral gives the false impression that he was there...un,ess of course it is another translation error...back on topic

drummer

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Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2014, 08:36:45 AM »
GA: And then we watch that, us Portuguese who were there...

JP: ... and the English...

GA: ... and the English, we watched it in stupefaction, he was sitting there with a lollipop laughing on the phone and we were all waiting...

JP: We're talking about Gerry McCann, at the moment when, because someone did try a coup like that, correct? So while you were waiting for him to make contact with you…

GA: … maybe it was his way of reacting to that tension, maybe it's justifiable but to us, we were shocked, it's not. We were searching for his daughter, doing our job.

JP: While he visited sites on the internet...

GA: No, he was on the phone.

JP: Ah he was on the phone and sucking on a lollipop wasn't it and laughing and chatting?

GA: Yes! Completely detached from what was going on and about to happen…

JP: So that shocked you in particular?

GA: Me and the colleagues who were present.


He seems to give the impression he was present several times??

Estuarine

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Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2014, 09:26:20 AM »
Translated documents are prone to errors.

But do the nitpickery errors alter the broad sense?

Ask an average German to translate technical German!

Offline John

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2014, 09:43:32 AM »
You are absolutely right Benice...amaral gives the false impression that he was there...un,ess of course it is another translation error...back on topic

Obviously the team under Amaral were keeping him briefed as they were obliged to do. He didn't require to have a physical presence to know what was going on.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Benice

Re: Translated documents are prone to errors.
« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2014, 10:01:10 AM »
Obviously the team under Amaral were keeping him briefed as they were obliged to do. He didn't require to have a physical presence to know what was going on.

If it was all quite normal then why would Amaral want to conceal that fact from his readers?   There is not the smallest clue in his book that he had never actually met or spoken to the McCanns.    In fact quite the opposite impression is promoted - and deliberately so IMO.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal