Author Topic: Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car  (Read 96083 times)

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Offline John

In the official Report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, he wrongly states that the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) called Eddie alerted in the boot area of the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.  The truth as seen from the video being that Eddie was never deployed within the car.

The Report dated 10 September 2007 states...

Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:

It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
 7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
 7.1. Cadaver dog:
 * Marked the key of the car
 * Marked the interior of the boot
 7.2. Blood dog
 * Marked the car key
 * Marked the interior of the boot



www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

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« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 12:28:04 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

As I've already posted on a different thread (although not strictly a translation error, but possibly a foreign language comprehension error) when Grime said in his video that he didn't intend placing Eddie in the boot, the translated transcript said the opposite, i.e. that he did intend to do so. And somehow that error (with a missing "não") made its way into Tavares de Almeida's interim report.

In other words, what may have been an inadvertent comprehension error led to the die-hard myth that Eddie reacted to "cadaver" in the boot. He didn't. He was never in the boot.

TdeA seemingly assumed the transcription to be accurate. However, I do find it somewhat difficult to believe that he didn't watch those sequences for himself... after all, that was one of the smoking gun as far as that team as concerned. If either he or anyone of the team had watched the video while reading the transcription, surely one of them would have noticed that it was Keela in the boot?

AnneGuedes

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In other words, what may have been an inadvertent comprehension error led to the die-hard myth that Eddie reacted to "cadaver" in the boot. He didn't. He was never in the boot.
Never heard of that myth. I just noted on my copy of the Tavares report that I didn't watch that, but as it has no consequence for the investigation, I didn't.. investigate.
Thank you for clearing this up.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 06:48:33 PM by Mr Moderator »

Offline Carana

Never heard of that myth. I just noted on my copy of the Tavares report that I didn't watch that, but as it has no consequence for the investigation, I didn't.. investigate.
Thank you for clearing this up.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of that myth. It continues to be repeated ad nauseum all over the Internet. Try Googling "Cadaver dog" "boot" "Madeleine McCann".

Offline Angelo222

As I've already posted on a different thread (although not strictly a translation error, but possibly a foreign language comprehension error) when Grime said in his video that he didn't intend placing Eddie in the boot, the translated transcript said the opposite, i.e. that he did intend to do so. And somehow that error (with a missing "não") made its way into Tavares de Almeida's interim report.

In other words, what may have been an inadvertent comprehension error led to the die-hard myth that Eddie reacted to "cadaver" in the boot. He didn't. He was never in the boot.

TdeA seemingly assumed the transcription to be accurate. However, I do find it somewhat difficult to believe that he didn't watch those sequences for himself... after all, that was one of the smoking gun as far as that team as concerned. If either he or anyone of the team had watched the video while reading the transcription, surely one of them would have noticed that it was Keela in the boot?

A good example Carana.  There will be lots of others too I suspect.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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I'm surprised you haven't heard of that myth. It continues to be repeated ad nauseum all over the Internet. Try Googling "Cadaver dog" "boot" "Madeleine McCann".
Nothing surprising : I vaguely know those sites exist, but this one is already sort of a full free time job!

Lyall

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I'm surprised you haven't heard of that myth. It continues to be repeated ad nauseum all over the Internet. Try Googling "Cadaver dog" "boot" "Madeleine McCann".

It's not so much repeated as still sitting there from many years ago. Old blogs from the early days remain long after their owners have disappeared, and there's nothing we can do about it.

It is imo a big problem - for everyone.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 02:34:51 PM by Lyall »

Offline John

I wonder if Martin stuck Eddie in the car off camera just for the hell of it?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 03:49:58 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Silkywhiskers

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It's not so much repeated as still sitting there from many years ago. Old blogs from the early days remain long after their owners have disappeared, and there's nothing we can do about it.

It is imo a big problem - for everyone.

It may be a problem for internet sleuths but it wasn't a problem for Amaral, or Eddie come to that.

From Grime's official report in the PJ files-

When passing a vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family, the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door.
 
This vehicle was then subjected to a full physical examination by the PJ and no human remains were found. The CSI dog was then tasked to screen the vehicle. An alert indication was forthcoming from the rear driver's side of the boot area. Forensic samples were taken by the PJ and forwarded to a forensic laboratory in the U.K.




http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug12

Redblossom

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SW that refers to Keela the blood dog, also called the csi dog, not Eddie

*deleted text*  until I find the ref.:

OK found it



7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2. Blood dog
* Marked the car key
* Marked the interior of the booth

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

According to this  Eddie did mark inside the boot, but perhaps it was a mistake? As it doesnt appear in the final  PJ report I dont think
In any case as you have quted below, the summary comment on the  vehicle searches made was that the alerts by Eddie could be cadaverscent or blood

Eta and if Mr Amaral was working from information on the case up until he left the case, then thats probbly why he said in the book this dog alerted in the boot, not that he deliberately lied.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 08:04:03 PM by Redblossom »

Silkywhiskers

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SW that refers to Keela the blood dog, alos called the csi dog, not Eddie

Eddie screened first.

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent' contaminant or human blood scent. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. The remainder of the vehicles were screened by the EVRD without any interest being shown. Therefore the CSI dog was not further deployed.

Eddie finds Cadaver, which was all over the vehicle.  I don't see any reference to Eddie and the boot area specifically rather the entire car, however, but then maybe he wasn't tasked to.

One cadaver alert on a vehicle is surely enough.... >@@(*&)

Either way, it seems like the pattern on the dinner plates on the Titanic again.  Kinda irrelevant? 8()-000(

Offline Mr Gray

Eddie screened first.

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent' contaminant or human blood scent. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. The remainder of the vehicles were screened by the EVRD without any interest being shown. Therefore the CSI dog was not further deployed.

Eddie finds Cadaver, which was all over the vehicle.  I don't see any reference to Eddie and the boot area specifically rather the entire car, however, but then maybe he wasn't tasked to.

One cadaver alert on a vehicle is surely enough.... >@@(*&)

Either way, it seems like the pattern on the dinner plates on the Titanic again.  Kinda irrelevant? 8()-000(

So using your quote as the source...grime says ..in my view(that's not very definite)...it is possible(that's not very definite)....

so your whole post is based on a statement that is not vey definite squared...do you have anything that is slightly definite

AnneGuedes

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Eddie finds Cadaver, which was all over the vehicle.  I don't see any reference to Eddie and the boot area specifically rather the entire car, however, but then maybe he wasn't tasked to.

No, Eddie only alerted at the key behind the door. Had he picked up what Keela found in the boot, he would have alerted at the boot. He didn't, this is why he wasn't sent inside of the car (imo).

Redblossom

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No, Eddie only alerted at the key behind the door. Had he picked up what Keela found in the boot, he would have alerted at the boot. He didn't, this is why he wasn't sent inside of the car (imo).

Why did the tavares report say eddie alerted in the boot?

Offline Mr Gray

Why did the tavares report say eddie alerted in the boot?

Then Tavares WAS wrong