Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[Serendipity]

this is where your whole argument falls apart...you claim the dogs have never been wrong but cannot supply proof....if the dogs had never been wrong why was grime not sure that the dogs had alerted to cadaver...grime says that it is possible...what degree of certainty do you imagine this means...thats all it is ...your imagination

So you cannot cite any cases where the dogs have been wrong, yet again.  Why can't you just admit that you cannot do so instead of deflecting?  Given that Eddie was trained to alert to the scent of human remains and no-one has ever turned up alive and well after an alert from Eddie, be it from a murder or a missing persons case, then it is with more than a degree of certainty that it is possible that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in Jersey in PDL.  Dogs do not lie and Martin knows what his dogs alerted to but is also fully aware that without corroborative forensics or a body the only alerts that can be accepted by the authorities are those to blood. 

You can split hairs and twist and turn all you like but Martin knows what his dogs alerted to and it wasn't seabass!

[Mr Gray]

So you cannot cite any cases where the dogs have been wrong, yet again.  Why can't you just admit that you cannot do so instead of deflecting?  Given that Eddie was trained to alert to the scent of human remains and no-one has ever turned up alive and well after an alert from Eddie, be it from a murder or a missing persons case, then it is with more than a degree of certainty that it is possible that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in Jersey in PDL.  Dogs do not lie and Martin knows what his dogs alerted to but is also fully aware that without corroborative forensics or a body the only alerts that can be accepted by the authorities are those to blood. 

You can split hairs and twist and turn all you like but Martin knows what his dogs alerted to and it wasn't seabass!

im not splitting hairs...so what did Grime say his dogs alerted to?...you are the one defleting...what did grime say his dogs alerted to

[Redblossom]

So you cannot cite any cases where the dogs have been wrong, yet again.  Why can't you just admit that you cannot do so instead of deflecting?  Given that Eddie was trained to alert to the scent of human remains and no-one has ever turned up alive and well after an alert from Eddie, be it from a murder or a missing persons case, then it is with more than a degree of certainty that it is possible that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in Jersey in PDL.  Dogs do not lie and Martin knows what his dogs alerted to but is also fully aware that without corroborative forensics or a body the only alerts that can be accepted by the authorities are those to blood. 

You can split hairs and twist and turn all you like but Martin knows what his dogs alerted to and it wasn't seabass!

Some people prefer to have a hernia, writhe about and stay in denial rather than contemplate the possibility of the remnant scent of Madeleines body was alerted to in 5a, that would be some kind of  anathema...wierd

[Estuarine]

A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell (he of the celestial t'pot)

[Serendipity]

It seems that you don't understand the role of the dogs as defined by grime...



Their purpose outlined in red...the dogs did not secure evidence...did not locate human remains but did locate blodd...belonging to Gerry McCann...a complete failure to find any evidence

Oh my word, you are so literal lol.  Human remains has quite a broad meaning you know.  The purpose of bringing in such specialist dogs was to identify if a body or body part had ever been in the vicinity of the search areas.  I think a few people would have noticed if a body was lying around somewhere and would have sent a memo to S Yorks saying 'hold fire guys, the dogs ain't needed' dontcha think?

[Redblossom]

A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell (he of the celestial t'pot)

post of the day!


 

 

and LOL at Hawkins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXBvmd-xcw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thing is also, ths stupid little argument about celestial teapots cant be applied to Eddie the cadaver dog as teapots dont exist in space but cadaver dogs alert to cadaver scent....zzz

[Mr Gray]

Some people prefer to have a hernia, writhe about and stay in denial rather than contemplate the possibility of the remnant scent of Madeleines body was alerted to in 5a

perhaps if you could understand a simple sentence then your posts would make more sense. I am in complete agreement with Grime that the dogs MAY have been alerting to cadaver scent..try and follow the debate

[Serendipity]

Some people prefer to have a hernia, writhe about and stay in denial rather than contemplate the possibility of the remnant scent of Madeleines body was alerted to in 5a, that would be some kind of  anathema...wierd

Nail on proverbial head tnere Red.  Need one of those head banging against brick wall emotes in here lol

[Serendipity]

A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell (he of the celestial t'pot)

 

Where's the Like button when you need one :)

[Mr Gray]

A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell (he of the celestial t'pot)

 couldn't agree more...and where I want to stick with exactly what grime says...serendipity wants to translate it to something different

[Mr Gray]

LOL

I guess we BOTH, as well as others, AWAIT a case to be referenced by the intransigents where Eddie alerted to a missing person case and they turned up alive


 

And I await any statement by Grime that the dogs have NEVER been wrong...until we have either then the default position is no one knows whether the dogs have ever been wrong

[Benice]

Nope, it's not a myth.  Can you show me a case where the dogs have been proven to be wrong please?

Eddie failed to alert to every single item of clothing in the villa which it was later claimed to have cadaverscent on them in the Gym.

Considering this dog could detect odour from far beneath the ground in the minutest quantities - even if the odour was decades of years  old  - and the clothing was probably an inch from his nose in drawers in the villa  -  I'd class that as a definite fail wouldn't you?

[AnneGuedes]

Eddie failed to alert to every single item of clothing in the villa which it was later claimed to have cadaverscent on them in the Gym.

Considering this dog could detect odour from far beneath the ground in the minutest quantities - even if the odour was decades of years  old  - and the clothing was probably an inch from his nose in drawers in the villa  -  I'd class that as a definite fail wouldn't you?

[pegasus]

Eddie failed to alert to every single item of clothing in the villa ...

in villa living area he ignores the cupboard door where the cat is, then sniffs at a pile of clothing, then immediately barks.

[John]

I must say having read through the posts that I agree with Dave in that a failed identification is seldom recorded.  One classic failure to detect the scent of death however was in the Adrian Prout case where the dogs were brought in but failed to identify the burial site even when taken to the very spot.  The dogs weren't infallible by any means but merely a means to an end. 

Martin Grime couldn't state that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent at the McCann's hire car, to Kate's clothing, the shelf in the bedroom wardrobe or to cuddlecat because as he stated himself on many occasions, the dog alerts are 'meaningless' without forensic corroboration.  Since that corroboration did not materialise in the Madeleine investigation we are left with dog alerts which are for all intents and purposes, meaningless.