Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[Mr Gray]

Eddie no doubt helped in several cases. What I object to is that what Grime actually said (although he phrased it in two different ways which may have led to some confusion) has been morphed by people on social media stating on various forums that Eddie had never been wrong and that his alerts had led to 200 homicide convictions.

Grime never said that.

as estuarine said...
A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell (he of the celestial t'pot)

perhaps posters should just stick with what grime actually said and not try to change his words to fit their own agenda

[pathfinder73]

Vol IX p. 2481

 FALSE ALERTS

 'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
 operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
 criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
 specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
 dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.
 My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler
 cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.
 This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops
 handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and
 investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour
 other than to direct the search.

Eddie & Keela Martin Grimes Report 
August 2007

All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.

As soon as he got to 5A there was a change in behaviour.

As soon as he passed the hire car there was a change in behaviour.

[Serendipity]

Eddie no doubt helped in several cases. What I object to is that what Grime actually said (although he phrased it in two different ways which may have led to some confusion) has been morphed by people on social media stating on various forums that Eddie had never been wrong and that his alerts had led to 200 homicide convictions.

Grime never said that.

I agree with you on that front, it frustrates me too.  What he said is that Eddie did not alert to meat/foodstuffs in 200 cases operationally.  He was during his lifetime, a very special dog who helped police secure many convictions and was also very effective in many other cases such as missing people who had sadly taken their own lives.

[Mr Gray]

I agree with you on that front, it frustrates me too.  What he said is that Eddie did not alert to meat/foodstuffs in 200 cases operationally.  He was during his lifetime, a very special dog who helped police secure many convictions and was also very effective in finding many other cases such as missing people who had sadly taken their own lives.

You are just not accurate in your statements....it was 200 case searches not 200 cases

[Serendipity]

You are just not accurate in your statements....it was 200 case searches not 200 cases

Stop being so pedantic Dave, you know what I meant and Pathfinder has kindly posted the full quote :)

[Estuarine]

Stop being so pedantic Dave, you know what I meant and Pathfinder has kindly posted the full quote :)

That will happen when Nelson gets his eye back.

[Serendipity]

That will happen when Nelson gets his eye back.

lol yes, we can no longer say 'when Hell freezes over' cos it did!  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25648513   

[Mr Gray]

Stop being so pedantic Dave, you know what I meant and Pathfinder has kindly posted the full quote :)

perhaps if you could stop posting untruths I wouldnt  have to keep pointing them out....you are the one who claims to have so much knowledge but make basic mistakes. I understand that eddie may make 20 to 30 case searches in each case...does anyone know how many he made in Jersey...so 200 case searches may only amount to a handful of cases...NOT 200

[Serendipity]

perhaps if you could stop posting untruths I wouldnt  have to keep pointing them out....you are the one who claims to have so much knowledge but make basic mistakes. I understand that eddie may make 20 to 30 case searches in each case...does anyone know how many he made in Jersey...so 200 case searches may only amount to a handful of cases...NOT 200

I don't post untruths Dave and it does not take a genius to realise that if he was involved in an operational case it was in a search capacity.  I know he was a very clever dog but let's face it he was not there to make the tea lol. So no mistake made on my part thanks :)

200 operational case SEARCHES did not just involve crimes you know, he was often deployed in vulnerable missing persons cases where a someone may have left a suicide note for example.  In one case where he was deployed officers had been searching woods for hours to no avail looking for a vulnerable young man. Martin arrived and the minute he let Eddie out of the vehicle he started barking and alerting upwards and sadly there was the young man hanging high in the trees.  Without Eddie, that poor boys mother may not have been able to lay her son to rest for a very long time or maybe even never.

[AnneGuedes]

I agree with you on that front, it frustrates me too.  What he said is that Eddie did not alert to meat/foodstuffs in 200 cases operationally.  He was during his lifetime, a very special dog who helped police secure many convictions and was also very effective in many other cases such as missing people who had sadly taken their own lives.

He also said, and this is essential, that Eddie never made a false positive.

[Mr Gray]

Operational Dave, the giveaway is the word operational ie cases that involved searches for someone.  I am not going to go round in circles and split hairs with you.

you are making more things up now..operational does not indicate a search for someone..

[Serendipity]

He also said, and this is essential, that Eddie never made a false positive.

Yep, he did Anne and that is, I agree, a very important point indeed. 

[icabodcrane]

Operational Dave, the giveaway is the word operational ie cases that involved searches for someone.  I am not going to go round in circles and split hairs with you.

My advise would be to not get drawn in  Serendipity

Important threads are frequently misdirected and descend into some sort of hair-splitters' convention  where irrelvancies are bandied  back and forth endlessly  ...  and pointlessly 

[Mr Gray]

He also said, and this is essential, that Eddie never made a false positive.

how would he know if an alert was positive or false positive if it was not confirmed

[Mr Gray]

My advise would be to not get drawn in  Serendipity

Important threads are frequently misdirected and descend into some sort of hair-splitters' convention  where irrelvancies are bandied  back and forth endlessly  ...  and pointlessly

perhaps you think the difference between 6 and 200 is splitting hairs...perhaps you are not very good at maths