Author Topic: Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car  (Read 96175 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

That makes it even more difficult to understand why he didn't notice which dog went in the boot.

well at least now it seems that posters accept the truth about the dogs with no dissenting voices tonight...about time too

Offline pegasus

If Eddie examines a vehicle or room and does not signal, is it safe to assume there was never a body in that vehicle/room?

Offline John

If Eddie examines a vehicle or room and does not signal, is it safe to assume there was never a body in that vehicle/room?

This is it pegasus.  Nobody, not even Martin Grime, could say if Eddie ever missed an alert since failed alerts are never usually registered unless a body is subsequently found or retrieved as in the recent Prout case.  People will say that Eddie did alert in that case and true to an extent.  He alerted to secondary transfer but was unable to find the body even when taken to the site and walked over it.
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Offline John

That makes it even more difficult to understand why he didn't notice which dog went in the boot.

Unless it did...off camera?    8)-)))
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Offline jassi

well at least now it seems that posters accept the truth about the dogs with no dissenting voices tonight...about time too

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Offline Carana

Unless it did...off camera?    8)-)))

If that were the case, and if Eddie had reacted to anything in the boot, why wouldn't this have been recorded as video evidence? Or, more likely, spread all over the Internet at the speed of light? Wouldn't this have been a mega scoop?

Grime stated that he didn't intend to put Eddie in the car (the transcription somehow got mangled and stated the opposite). TdeA's report stated that Eddie was in the boot... but based on what?

Where else in the records does it state that Eddie went into that boot?




Offline John

If that were the case, and if Eddie had reacted to anything in the boot, why wouldn't this have been recorded as video evidence? Or, more likely, spread all over the Internet at the speed of light? Wouldn't this have been a mega scoop?

Grime stated that he didn't intend to put Eddie in the car (the transcription somehow got mangled and stated the opposite). TdeA's report stated that Eddie was in the boot... but based on what?

Where else in the records does it state that Eddie went into that boot?


It does appear that it was simply sloppy reporting and a failure to check/proof read the report properly.  In the additional analysis report dated 3rd September 2007 also by Tavares de Almeida he states...

This work resulted in 'alerts' by both dogs:

 - cadaver odour [was alerted to]:
 * in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A;
 * in the current residence of the family, a soft toy of the girl Madeleine;
 * on various pieces of clothing;
 * on the key of the car used by the family;

 - blood odour;
 * in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A (the same place
 alerted to by the other dog;
 * on the key of the key used by the family;
 * inside the boot area of the car used by the family.



www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm#p10p2603
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Offline Mr Gray


It does appear that it was simply sloppy reporting and a failure to check/proof read the report properly.  In the additional analysis report dated 3rd September 2007 also by Tavares de Almeida he states...

This work resulted in 'alerts' by both dogs:

 - cadaver odour [was alerted to]:
 * in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A;
 * in the current residence of the family, a soft toy of the girl Madeleine;
 * on various pieces of clothing;
 * on the key of the car used by the family;

 - blood odour;
 * in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A (the same place
 alerted to by the other dog;
 * on the key of the key used by the family;
 * inside the boot area of the car used by the family.



www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm#p10p2603

As soon as sloppy reporting is accepted it throws everything into doubt. Having said that it doesn't matter where the dogs alerted or didn't alert...nothing was corroborated so its meaningless. I find the alert in the flower bed ridiculous from what I have read...the scent would just not last that long, outside with wind and rain

Offline Anna

If that were the case, and if Eddie had reacted to anything in the boot, why wouldn't this have been recorded as video evidence? Or, more likely, spread all over the Internet at the speed of light? Wouldn't this have been a mega scoop?

Grime stated that he didn't intend to put Eddie in the car (the transcription somehow got mangled and stated the opposite). TdeA's report stated that Eddie was in the boot... but based on what?

Where else in the records does it state that Eddie went into that boot?

Cant find any of Eddie going in the boot




Processos Vol VIII

Pages 2186 – 2188



Sniffer Dog Report

Date: 06 and 07 August 2007

Place: Underground Car Park, Praca 1 de Maio, Portimao.

Participants:

1. PJ – Tavares de Almeida, Chief Inspector
2. PJ – Joao Carlos Pereira, Inspector
3. PJ – Ricardo Paiva, Inspector
4. UK – Mark Harrison
5. UK Martin Grime UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert
6. EDDY – English Springer
7. KEELA – English Springer

AN IMAGE AND SOUND RECORDING OF THE WHOLE INQUIRY WAS MADE.

On 6th August 2007 at about 15.17 a sniffer dog inspection was carried out of the following cars that had been placed for this purpose in the underground car park mentioned previously:

Vehicle nº 1 – Opel Corsa – number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle nº 2 – Fiat Punto – number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle nº 3 – Peugeot 205 – number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle nº 4 – Renault Scenic – number plate – 59-DA-27
Vehicle nº 5 – Skoda Fabia – number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle nº 6 – Volkswagon Transporter – number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle nº 7 – Nissan Patrol – number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle nº 8 – Volkswagon Passat – number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle nº 9 – Audi A4 – number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle nº 10 –Renault Kangoo – number plate 07-50-UI


The inquiry began at the time indicated, the dog EDDY which detects cadaver odour, searched the whole of the floor of the underground car park where the cars were parked with the following result:

15.27 – the dog “marked” vehicle nº4 – Renault Scenic – number plate – 59-DA-27, the rental car currently used by Gerry and Kate McCann.

The Renault Scenic vehicle – number plate 59-DA-27 was removed to the third floor of the underground car park and was subjected to a forensic search by officers from the Scientific Police Laboratory and another sniffer dog inspection that began at 03.49 on 7th August by the dog KEELA, which detected human blood remains, the following results were noted:

03.53 – the dog “marked” a zone on the right inferior side of the inside of the luggage compartment of the vehicle;

04.11 – the dog “marked” the compartment on the driver’s side, which was seen to contain the vehicle’s key, of a plastic electronic card type, with a key ring from the Budget car rental agency.

With the aim of confirming whether the dog had effectively “marked” the vehicle’s key, which was inside the compartment on the driver’s side, at 04.13 the key in question was removed from the vehicle and hidden in a place far from the vehicle on the third floor of the underground car park.

At about 04.14 it was observed that the dog “marked” the area of a box containing sand from the Fire Service, underneath which, effectively, the vehicle’s key had been hidden.

At approximately 04.50 a new sniffer dog inspection was carried out using the dog EDDY which detects cadaver odour, using the vehicle key which for this purpose was hidden on the fourth floor of the underground car park, far away from the vehicle.

At about 04.51, it was observed that the dog “marked” the area of the box containing sand from the Fire Service, underneath which the key had been hidden.

Signed.
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Offline John

The only time that we know of that Eddie alerted at the car was outside the drivers door.  We saw on the video Mr Grime stating that he was not going to put Eddie inside the car but why not?   Surely the whole point in the exercise was to find out where in the car there was cadaver residue if any?

I find this a bit of a mystery tbo.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 04:44:05 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

As soon as sloppy reporting is accepted it throws everything into doubt. Having said that it doesn't matter where the dogs alerted or didn't alert...nothing was corroborated so its meaningless. I find the alert in the flower bed ridiculous from what I have read...the scent would just not last that long, outside with wind and rain

Probably a dead cat, hamster or goldfish.  8(0(*
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Probably a dead cat, hamster or goldfish.  8(0(*

Or a pig-based fertiliser ...

Offline Mr Gray

The only time that we know of that Eddie alerted at the car was outside the drivers door.  We saw on the video Mr Grime stating that he was not going to put Eddie inside the car but why not?   Surely the whole point in the exercise was to find out where in the car there was cadaver residue if any?

I find this a bit of a mystery tbo.

Perhaps he thought the idea of a cadaver being transported in the hire car ridiculous...as most people do

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The only time that we know of that Eddie alerted at the car was outside the drivers door.  We saw on the video Mr Grime stating that he was not going to put Eddie inside the car but why not?   Surely the whole point in the exercise was to find out where in the car there was cadaver residue if any?

I find this a bit of a mystery tbo.


They were looking for Madeleine's blood.  The dog most likely to have found it if it had been there was Keela.

Just about the only thing I give Grime credit for is that he had Eddie test the ignition key separately and apart from the car.

But even then, what possessed Grime to suppose it might be found on the ignition key of a car hired 3 weeks after her abduction?

Offline Anna


They were looking for Madeleine's blood.  The dog most likely to have found it if it had been there was Keela.

Just about the only thing I give Grime credit for is that he had Eddie test the ignition key separately and apart from the car.

But even then, what possessed Grime to suppose it might be found on the ignition key of a car hired 3 weeks after her abduction?

I think to a point, he was probably following orders/requests.
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