Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[ferryman]

I think to a point, he was probably following orders/requests.

I disagree with you on that, Anna.

One day, I may explain why.

But not now ...

[Anna]

I disagree with you on that, Anna.

One day, I may explain why.

But not now ...

OK Ferryman.  I will await your explanation.

[Anna]

(Given that Keela is only used after Eddie has indicated a cadaver odour, it seems strange that the 57-page PJ Report Summary does not record cadaver odour being indicated in the area of the vehicle's boot, or, indeed, anywhere on the car, apart from the keys.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug5

[ferryman]

(Given that Keela is only used after Eddie has indicated a cadaver odour, it seems strange that the 57-page PJ Report Summary does not record cadaver odour being indicated in the area of the vehicle's boot, or, indeed, anywhere on the car, apart from the keys.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug5

Ah!

Every rule has its exception, Anna.

From the inspection in the gym:

2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.


The blood dog was deployed first, almost certainly because, without a reaction from the blood dog, there would be no reason to send anything to the FSS.

The blood dog didn't react.

Then Eddie was deployed.

Why?

[Carana]

The only time that we know of that Eddie alerted at the car was outside the drivers door.  We saw on the video Mr Grime stating that he was not going to put Eddie inside the car but why not?   Surely the whole point in the exercise was to find out where in the car there was cadaver residue if any?

I find this a bit of a mystery tbo.

It's not a mystery if you accept the idea that Eddie was the GP and Keela the blood specialist (it's the haystack and needle analogy that was used to describe the duo in the press ages ago).

Try it the other way around. Keela can pinpoint tiny amounts of blood. When she does, that could be significant in terms of forensics. Great, but time-consuming - as on one has time for a dog to sniff millimetre by millimetre over a large area. The police had their general zones to check, Eddie was supposed to react if anything seemed to be of interest, and Keela was wheeled in to try to spot any trace of blood which might provide potential forensic evidence, hence saving time.

[Anna]

Ah!

Every rule has its exception, Anna.

From the inspection in the gym:

2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.


The blood dog was deployed first, almost certainly because, without a reaction from the blood dog, there would be no reason to send anything to the FSS.

The blood dog didn't react.

Then Eddie was deployed.

Why?

I know that both dogs can detect blood, whereas Eddie can also detect dried/old blood up to 36 years old or cadaver scent. Cadaverscent would be of no use to forensics back then, so they were looking for a contaminant, which could have been introduced in many different ways.


Mr Grime:- Car alerts

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent' contaminant or human blood scent. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. The remainder of the vehicles were screened by the EVRD without any interest being shown. Therefore the CSI dog was not further deployed.
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But I thought it was said that EVRD only barked at Cadaver scent, which means it was the blood detected in the apartment and car that it was most probably barking at.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic35.html?sid=643f56da60b8e250fb6d9c8f5d9110a7

[Anna]

It's not a mystery if you accept the idea that Eddie was the GP and Keela the blood specialist (it's the haystack and needle analogy that was used to describe the duo in the press ages ago).

Try it the other way around. Keela can pinpoint tiny amounts of blood. When she does, that could be significant in terms of forensics. Great, but time-consuming - as on one has time for a dog to sniff millimetre by millimetre over a large area. The police had their general zones to check, Eddie was supposed to react if anything seemed to be of interest, and Keela was wheeled in to try to spot any trace of blood which might provide potential forensic evidence, hence saving time.

That's what I thought Carana, but the clothing was checked the other way round................Ah, because it was a more confined space 

[ferryman]

I know that both dogs can detect blood, whereas Eddie can also detect dried/old blood up to 36 years old or cadaver scent. Cadaverscent would be of no use to forensics back then, so they were looking for a contaminant, which could have been introduced in many different ways.


Mr Grime:- Car alerts

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent' contaminant or human blood scent. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. The remainder of the vehicles were screened by the EVRD without any interest being shown. Therefore the CSI dog was not further deployed.
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But I thought it was said that EVRD only barked at Cadaver scent, which means it was the blood detected in the apartment and car that it was most probably barking at.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic35.html?sid=643f56da60b8e250fb6d9c8f5d9110a7

Eddie has (had! I gather he is now dead) only one indication, a bark, which he used to signal cadaver odour or blood.

[pegasus]

Eddie has (had! I gather he is now dead) only one indication, a bark, which he used to signal cadaver odour or blood.

IMO the late Eddie had two variations of alert. Link coming soon.

[pegasus]

IMO:
Eddie bark with head in air = residual scent.
Eddie bark with head down = tangible source.

Source: Processos IX pages 2473-2483
"The first alert was given with the dog's head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident."

[Anna]

IMO:
Eddie bark with head in air = residual scent.
Eddie bark with head down = tangible source.

Source: Processos IX pages 2473-2483
"The first alert was given with the dog's head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident."

Thank you Pegusas

[ferryman]

IMO:
Eddie bark with head in air = residual scent.
Eddie bark with head down = tangible source.

Source: Processos IX pages 2473-2483
"The first alert was given with the dog's head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident."

In every reaction of Eddie's I've ever seen he turns and faces Grime and barks his little head off.

Head up

No variation

[Mr Gray]

When Grime says Eddie MAY be alerting to cadaver scent he is admitting he isn't sure...therefore he admits that there is the chance that the dog is wrong.

[Anna]

When Grime says Eddie MAY be alerting to cadaver scent he is admitting he isn't sure...therefore he admits that there is the chance that the dog is wrong.

Exactly.

[Angelo222]

When Grime says Eddie MAY be alerting to cadaver scent he is admitting he isn't sure...therefore he admits that there is the chance that the dog is wrong.

Or a chance that he is right.  In a nutshell pointless.