Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[ferryman]

IMO:
Eddie bark with head in air = residual scent.
Eddie bark with head down = tangible source.

Source: Processos IX pages 2473-2483
"The first alert was given with the dog's head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident."

Eddie's reaction to the Renault was to a tangible source (spots of Gerry's blood). 

Eddie turned and faced Grime and barked, head in the air.

[Angelo222]

Eddie's reaction to the Renault was to a tangible source (spots of Gerry's blood). 

Eddie turned and faced Grime and barked, head in the air.

It wasn't proven that Eddie's alert related only to the ignition card since the dog wasn't deployed after the card was removed.  If I'm honest I find the whole silly mess riddled with inconsistencies and maybes.

[ferryman]

It wasn't proven that Eddie's alert related only to the ignition card since the dog wasn't deployed after the card was removed.  If I'm honest I find the whole silly mess riddled with inconsistencies and maybes.

That's not true.

Eddie was invited to react to the ignition key a second time, separately and apart from the car, hidden inside a sand box, and did so.

[Angelo222]

That's not true.

Eddie was invited to react to the ignition key a second time, separately and apart from the car, hidden inside a sand box, and did so.

I am aware of that but was he invited to check out the car with the key card removed?  No

One BIG mess IYAM   

There could have been cadaverine in the car but Grime failed to prove it one way or another.

[ferryman]

I am aware of that but was he invited to check out the car with the key card removed?  No

One BIG mess IYAM   

There could have been cadaverine in the car but Grime failed to prove it one way or another.

The biggest anomaly of the lot is 10 cars inspected simultaneously.

There was an innocent scent in the Renault.

There might easily have been in any of the other 9 cars.

[Angelo222]

The biggest anomaly of the lot is 10 cars inspected simultaneously.

There was an innocent scent in the Renault.

There might easily have been in any of the other 9 cars.

We can't say there was an innocent scent in the car because Eddie never checked it out with the contaminated key card removed.  A huge oversight IMO.

The Scenic should have been isolated for a period of time with the keycard removed and then retested properly.  No doubt time and money were the determining factors.

[Carana]

We can't say there was an innocent scent in the car because Eddie never checked it out with the contaminated key card removed.  A huge oversight IMO.

The Scenic should have been isolated for a period of time with the keycard removed and then retested properly.  No doubt time and money were the determining factors.

Hmm. My understanding is that the purpose of deploying Eddie was to find indications, via the alerts, to narrow down where the cops were supposed to search for potential forensic evidence and Keela was to narrow down the area even further if blood was marked - as that is what saves time and money.

Whatever past or future successes they had, in this case, the forensic evidence turned out to be insignificant.

I find the general concept interesting and can (or has been) furthered refined since, but reading anything more into Eddie's alerts than a general whiff of a potentially interesting scent for closer examination seems exaggerated, IMO.

[ferryman]

We can't say there was an innocent scent in the car because Eddie never checked it out with the contaminated key card removed.  A huge oversight IMO.

The Scenic should have been isolated for a period of time with the keycard removed and then retested properly.  No doubt time and money were the determining factors.

Give the poor dog a break.

How hard did Grime have to work to get a reaction out of Eddie with the ignition key in the car?

[ferryman]

Going back to thehead up or head down question, in which direction was Eddie's head pointing for his alerts in the gym, where blood had been ruled out by the prior inspection of Keela?

[Mr Gray]

In reality none of these threads matter because Grime has told us that the dogs are not 100% reliable...so just how reliable are they..nobody really knows

[ferryman]

In reality none of these threads matter because Grime has told us that the dogs are not 100% reliable...so just how reliable are they..nobody really knows

Certainly, Grime should have said that.

I'm not quite sure that he did.

[stephen25000]

The actual reality is the dogs did indicate, and it is more than possible they indicated to the remains of Madeleine.

[Benice]

In reality none of these threads matter because Grime has told us that the dogs are not 100% reliable...so just how reliable are they..nobody really knows

I don't see how any claim of 100% accuracy can be proved.   If a dog was sent into a field to search - and didn't alert then the handler would assume there was nothing there to alert to.      However without digging up the whole field -  what he cannot know is whether there was something there- and the dog had simply missed it.

I'm impressed by all sniffer dogs, but IMO one of the main reasons why false alerts can happen is when the dog is affected by the beliefs of the handler.   i.e. unconscious cueing.  This has been proved to happen in tests, and Grime acknowledges that it is a reason for false alerts.

Unless Grime and his dogs had been subjected to such testing - then he cannot possibly know for certain whether this could apply in his own case - as the very fact that such cueing is unconscious means that he wouldn't know he was doing it in the first place.

Anyone who has a dog will know they can pick up on the slightest, tiniest changes in body language.

 

[John]

In reality none of these threads matter because Grime has told us that the dogs are not 100% reliable...so just how reliable are they..nobody really knows

Is anything 100% reliable in the world Dave?   Surely it is a case of striving for the best possible scenario?

[John]

The actual reality is the dogs did indicate, and it is more than possible they indicated to the remains of Madeleine.

Come on Stephen, in reality it could have been many substances he was alerting to.  Harsh reality is nobody will ever know.