Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[John]

I don't see how any claim of 100% accuracy can be proved.   If a dog was sent into a field to search - and didn't alert then the handler would assume there was nothing there to alert to.      However without digging up the whole field -  what he cannot know is whether there was something there- and the dog had simply missed it.

I'm impressed by all sniffer dogs, but IMO one of the main reasons why false alerts can happen is when the dog is affected by the beliefs of the handler.   i.e. unconscious cueing.  This has been proved to happen in tests, and Grime acknowledges that it is a reason for false alerts.

Unless Grime and his dogs had been subjected to such testing - then he cannot possibly know for certain whether this could apply in his own case - as the very fact that such cueing is unconscious means that he wouldn't know he was doing it in the first place.

Anyone who has a dog will know they can pick up on the slightest, tiniest changes in body language.

 

What do you think would have happened if Eddie had been put into the garage on his own?   Does anyone else think that Eddie was trained and could only work as long as he had inputs from his handler?

I certainly agree that a dog picks up on its masters mannerisms.

[Lace]

They buried the key in a bucket of sand on the far side of the underground car park. Eddie found it and alerted to confirm. Keela has to get in real close and sniff to alert to microscopic blood. IMO cadaver scent was coming from the car. Eddie's behaviour changed straight away due to him picking up cadaver scent which is what he was trained to find. Also their neighbour said they always kept the car boot open day and night so she reported it to the police!

You say 'Eddie's behaviour changed straight away due to him picking up CADAVER scent which is what he was trained to find'      Yet we all know that Eddie also alerted to blood from a living person,  as he alerted to the key fob which had Gerry's blood on it.

[Carana]

What do you think would have happened if Eddie had been put into the garage on his own?   Does anyone else think that Eddie was trained and could only work as long as he had inputs from his handler?

I certainly agree that a dog picks up on its masters mannerisms.

Interesting thought. From the videos where he's being called back to concentrate, he seems to rely on Grime's guidance as to where he's supposed to be checking.

A point, perhaps, is that when he wasn't tasked to search, he was just a normal dog, no doubt catching up on the Canine News at lamp posts. Most dogs would pick up the scent of a buried bone (of any kind), and dig to retrieve it as a treasure. But would he have alerted his master?

ETA: What would everyday life be like if he barked at every potential interesting scent on his daily walks? That doesn't seem feasible.

[stephen25000]

Come on Stephen, in reality it could have been many substances he was alerting to.  Harsh reality is nobody will ever know.

I am quite aware of that.

However, it does not preclude the possibility of what I said being the case.

As you well know I've never believed the abduction scenario.

 For a variety of reasons.

[Carana]

Is anything 100% reliable in the world Dave?   Surely it is a case of striving for the best possible scenario?

[/u]

What's the "best possible scenario" in the absence of any corroborating forensic evidence?

[Anna]

Interesting thought. From the videos where he's being called back to concentrate, he seems to rely on Grime's guidance as to where he's supposed to be checking.

A point, perhaps, is that when he wasn't tasked to search, he was just a normal dog, no doubt catching up on the Canine News at lamp posts. Most dogs would pick up the scent of a buried bone (of any kind), and dig to retrieve it as a treasure. But would he have alerted his master?

ETA: What would everyday life be like if he barked at every potential interesting scent on his daily walks? That doesn't seem feasible.

As I have said before, He looked as if he badly wanted to please his master

[Lace]

What do you think would have happened if Eddie had been put into the garage on his own?   Does anyone else think that Eddie was trained and could only work as long as he had inputs from his handler?

I certainly agree that a dog picks up on its masters mannerisms.

Personally I think Eddie wouldn't have alerted to the the McCann's car if he had been put into the garage on his own John,   he didn't bother with it and had to be called back.

[Mr Gray]

The actual reality is the dogs did indicate, and it is more than possible they indicated to the remains of Madeleine.

who says its more than possible...you

[Mr Gray]

I am quite aware of that.

However, it does not preclude the possibility of what I said being the case.

As you well know I've never believed the abduction scenario.

 For a variety of reasons.

Your celestial teapot arguments are a very weak response

[stephen25000]

The question some should be asking is why I don't believe in the abduction scenario ?


 

[ferryman]

The question some should be asking is why I don't believe in the abduction scenario ?


 

Perhaps the venerable denizens of Haverns and associated places ...

[jassi]

The question some should be asking is why I don't believe in the abduction scenario ?


 

No, No, you don't question anything  on here these days, merely accept the story line according to the PR machine.

[stephen25000]

Perhaps the venerable denizens of Haverns and associated places ...

As in Viva Pedro ?

[Mr Gray]

The question some should be asking is why I don't believe in the abduction scenario ?


 

perhaps no ones bothered that you don't believe in the abduction scenario.....people believe the earth is 6000 years old....doesn't bother me

[jassi]

perhaps no ones bothered that you don't believe in the abduction scenario.....people believe the earth is 6000 years old....doesn't bother me

Is it not your role in life to point out to others the errors of their ways?