Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[jassi]

Oh but I agree Dave, Redwood has gone on record to declare that Madeleine could be alive, wasn't that brave of him.  By the same token she could be dead too...bottom line is they haven't got a baldy notion what the truth is.

I can't believe they don't know the truth, but they're certainly not sharing  it with us.

[Carana]

Nineteen pages later... has anyone found any proof that Tavares de Almeida did NOT make an error in his report?

[Anna]

Nineteen pages later... has anyone found any proof that Tavares de Almeida did NOT make an error in his report?

No I have not.

[ferryman]

Nineteen pages later... has anyone found any proof that Tavares de Almeida did NOT make an error in his report?

In fairness, Carana, when you ask a question to which there is only one, incontrovertible answer, that leaves precious little room for debate ...

[Anna]

In fairness, Carana, when you ask a question to which there is only one, incontrovertible answer, that leaves precious little room for debate ...

I think Eddie would be too big to put in the front of this car, but according to what he says below, he was going to try.

Processos Vol IX

Page 2466


Verbal Report of Martin Grime Referring to the Search Made of Vehicles Using the Dogs



Transcription/Translation


Vehicle n° 1 – number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle N° 2 – number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle N°3 – number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle N°4 – number plate 59-DA-27
Vehicle N°5 – number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle N°6 – number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle N°7 – number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle N°8 – number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle N°9 – number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle N°10 – number plate 07-50-UI

We examined the cars with the dog and the only reaction we got was in relation to the car in the extreme corner. I will indicate that it was the Renault. What we have is a reaction to this door here, where (the dog) lifts its head in the air and sniffs for the objects which it has been trained to detect. And when we limit our movements, the dog chooses this car, this door. It is important to know that the dog chooses the odour that comes from the lower part of the door. Based on this information, I will try to place the dog inside the car.

ETA: Doc linked in TOC.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post127971.html#p127971

[ferryman]

I think Eddie would be too big to put in the front of this car, but according to what he says below, he was going to try.

Processos Vol IX

Page 2466


Verbal Report of Martin Grime Referring to the Search Made of Vehicles Using the Dogs



Transcription/Translation


Vehicle n° 1 – number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle N° 2 – number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle N°3 – number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle N°4 – number plate 59-DA-27
Vehicle N°5 – number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle N°6 – number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle N°7 – number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle N°8 – number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle N°9 – number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle N°10 – number plate 07-50-UI

We examined the cars with the dog and the only reaction we got was in relation to the car in the extreme corner. I will indicate that it was the Renault. What we have is a reaction to this door here, where (the dog) lifts its head in the air and sniffs for the objects which it has been trained to detect. And when we limit our movements, the dog chooses this car, this door. It is important to know that the dog chooses the odour that comes from the lower part of the door. Based on this information, I will try to place the dog inside the car.

ETA: Doc linked in TOC.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post127971.html#p127971

Anna, as Carana has pointed out, there is an actual video recording of Grime himself, saying that he shan't put the dog in the car.

I think Carana highlights the error you post in one of her earlier posts ...

Carana's post, second in the thread:

As I've already posted on a different thread (although not strictly a translation error, but possibly a foreign language comprehension error) when Grime said in his video that he didn't intend placing Eddie in the boot, the translated transcript said the opposite, i.e. that he did intend to do so. And somehow that error (with a missing "não") made its way into Tavares de Almeida's interim report.

[Anna]

Anna, as Carana has pointed out, there is an actual video recording of Grime himself, saying that he shan't put the dog in the car.

I think Carana highlights the error you post in one of her earlier posts ...

Carana's post, second in the thread:

As I've already posted on a different thread (although not strictly a translation error, but possibly a foreign language comprehension error) when Grime said in his video that he didn't intend placing Eddie in the boot, the translated transcript said the opposite, i.e. that he did intend to do so. And somehow that error (with a missing "não") made its way into Tavares de Almeida's interim report.

I forgot there another in the thread and I have read them ..Of course. Forgive me I am going daft, with all this doggie stuff and what they did/didn't, could/couldn't, do. Then we have the reports, True/untrue Mistake/translation 

[Anna]

The car was taken down to a different level for the forensic exam. Would a regular car park be high enough for a truck to lift the car up and then take it down the ramp?

They drove the cars for inspection

THE HUNT FOR MADELEINE .. and then they crash Murat van
Crucial DNA evidence from Kate and Gerry McCann's hire car may have been contaminated - because police drove it to the forensic lab themselves.
Bungling detectives failed to properly secure vehicles seized during the six month probe into the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine in Portugal.
Instead of taking them on a low loader as they would be in Britain, junior officers drove the 35 miles from Praia da Luz to the forensic analysis lab in Portimao.
And the detective driving suspect Robert Murat's van CRASHED it.
Experts said the astonishing blunder could jeopardise any DNA evidence allegedly found in the boot of the Renault Scenic - which the McCanns hired 25 days after Madeleine vanished - and destroy the police theory that they they used it to move her body.
Former Scotland Yard detective Hamish Brown said: "It defies all rules of investigation. It's positively wrong. Any human who got into that vehicle would risk contaminating evidence, damaging fingerprints and possible cross-transference of fibres.
"It should have gone on to a low loader to preserve any evidence it might contain."


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug5

[Mr Moderator]

Weeks and weeks after the event?  The contamination was complete by then.

[Robittybob1]

SW that refers to Keela the blood dog, also called the csi dog, not Eddie

*deleted text*  until I find the ref.:

OK found it



7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2. Blood dog
* Marked the car key
* Marked the interior of the booth

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

According to this  Eddie did mark inside the boot, but perhaps it was a mistake? As it doesnt appear in the final  PJ report I dont think
In any case as you have quted below, the summary comment on the  vehicle searches made was that the alerts by Eddie could be cadaverscent or blood

Eta and if Mr Amaral was working from information on the case up until he left the case, then thats probbly why he said in the book this dog alerted in the boot, not that he deliberately lied.

It says "* Marked the interior of the booth" a booth not a boot.  both different things.  Booth is that just the entire inside of the car?

[Brietta]

It says "* Marked the interior of the booth" a booth not a boot.  both different things.  Booth is that just the entire inside of the car?

NO.  It is a typing error  ... *marcou no interior de bagage do veiculo ... which didn't happen in the first place.
Eddie did not enter the vehicle.
The dog being referred to is Keela ... and she was in the boot.

[sadie]

NO.  It is a typing error  ... *marcou no interior de bagage do veiculo ... which didn't happen in the first place.
Eddie did not enter the vehicle.
The dog being referred to is Keela ... and she was in the boot.

And Keela only marks for blood ... NOT cadaver

All you doubters are barking up the wrong tree.   You have listened to Amaral too long.  Try thinking it thru.

NO CADAVER indications in the boot.  NONE

[ferryman]

In the official Report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, he wrongly states that the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) called Eddie alerted in the boot area of the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.  The truth as seen from the video being that Eddie was never deployed within the car.

The Report dated 10 September 2007 states...

Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:

It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
 7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
 7.1. Cadaver dog:
 * Marked the key of the car
 * Marked the interior of the boot
 7.2. Blood dog
 * Marked the car key
 * Marked the interior of the boot


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
 

Tavares' first mistake was to make reference to the "enhanced" victim recovery dog.

No such thing.

Never has been (in the whole history of sniffer dogs).

Bloody hell.

Just realised.

This thread is over two years old ....

[sadie]

In the official Report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, he wrongly states that the Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) called Eddie alerted in the boot area of the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.  The truth as seen from the video being that Eddie was never deployed within the car.

The Report dated 10 September 2007 states...

Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:

It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
 7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
 7.1. Cadaver dog:
 * Marked the key of the car
 * Marked the interior of the boot
 7.2. Blood dog
 * Marked the car key
 * Marked the interior of the boot


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
 

And, of course Ferryman

Let us not forget that Tavares de Almeida was convicted of torture in the  Virgolino Borges case.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.0

[ShiningInLuz]

Tavares' first mistake was to make reference to the "enhanced" victim recovery dog.

No such thing.

Never has been (in the whole history of sniffer dogs).

Bloody hell.

Just realised.

This thread is over two years old ....

It's OK for some.  I wasn't a member when this was active so the site tracking mechanism told me I was 20 pages behind.

Let me try a one-line summary of those 20 pages.  Tavares wasn't sure whether these were miracle dogs or not.

And 9 years on, the argument debate continues.