Author Topic: Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car  (Read 96110 times)

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Offline mercury

Eddie alerted to spots of Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

Eddie ignored the boot.

Have you got a cite from the lowe rport that it was gerrys blood?

Offline Robittybob1

Eddie alerted to spots of Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

Eddie ignored the boot.
Eddie is a cadaver dog, he doesn't alert to dried blood. You should know that.  So if there was bloody fluids from a cadaver that dried that could be picked up by Eddie for it isn't fresh blood anymore.
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ferryman

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Have you got a cite from the lowe rport that it was gerrys blood?

The word blood is not used (once) in John Lowe's report.

But I wouldn't want to diss Keela by accusing her of reacting to anything other than blood (seeing as she is not trained to react to anything else); and keela reacted to the ignition key.

Everything sent to the FSS was reacted to Keela; anything Keela didn't react to wasn't sent.

The word blood does not feature (once) in John Lowe's report.

Offline mercury

Eddie is a cadaver dog, he doesn't alert to dried blood. You should know that.  So if there was bloody fluids from a cadaver that dried that could be picked up by Eddie for it isn't fresh blood anymore.

He does, its in Grime's  cv or report
Eddie alerted to nthng fresh just cadaverised so to speak

Offline Robittybob1

He does, its in Grime's  cv or report
Eddie alerted to nthng fresh just cadaverised so to speak
It sounded like you agreed with me.  Is that right?  You agreed.
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Offline mercury

The word blood is not used (once) in John Lowe's report.

But I wouldn't want to diss Keela by accusing her of reacting to anything other than blood (seeing as she is not trained to react to anything else); and keela reacted to the ignition key.

Everything sent to the FSS was reacted to Keela; anything Keela didn't react to wasn't sent.

The word blood does not feature (once) in John Lowe's report.

I know all that but none of it proves Eddie was reacting to blood, it could have been either that and/or cadaver scent, what facts have you got  to dispute the possibility

ferryman

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Eddie is a cadaver dog, he doesn't alert to dried blood. You should know that.  So if there was bloody fluids from a cadaver that dried that could be picked up by Eddie for it isn't fresh blood anymore.

From Grime's rogatory interview:

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The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'
The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

ferryman

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I know all that but none of it proves Eddie was reacting to blood, it could have been either that and/or cadaver scent, what facts have you got  to dispute the possibility

So Eddie reacted to cadaver odour on the key of the Renault Scenic (but not the boot, which he studiously ignored)?

Realign the compass, Mercury ....

Why did Eddie need two stabs to (apparently) detect anything at all on cuddle-cat?

Offline mercury

So Eddie reacted to cadaver odour on the key of the Renault Scenic (but not the boot, which he studiously ignored)?

Realign the compass, Mercury ....

Why did Eddie need two stabs to (apparently) detect anything at all on cuddle-cat?
He wasnt sent into the car so ignored nothing in there

ferryman

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He wasnt sent into the car so ignored nothing in there

Eddie reacted twice (in two different locations) to the same item (the ignition key); the second time after it was buried in a sandbox in a location well away from the car.

The ignition was found to contain forensic material (either blood, or Keela false-alerted) that matched Gerry's DNA.

Offline Robittybob1

I know all that but none of it proves Eddie was reacting to blood, it could have been either that and/or cadaver scent, what facts have you got  to dispute the possibility
he is trained to react to cadaver odour only and the other dog, Keela, to dried blood.  It is a cunning combination.
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Offline mercury

Eddie reacted twice (in two different locations) to the same item (the ignition key); the second time after it was buried in a sandbox in a location well away from the car.

The ignition was found to contain forensic material (either blood, or Keela false-alerted) that matched Gerry's DNA.
But that still does not prove it was blood he was reacting to andbtw lowe did not say it WAS Gerrys dna,sorry to play devils advocate but in these cases the devil really is in the details

Offline mercury

he is trained to react to cadaver odour only and the other dog, Keela, to dried blood.  It is a cunning combination.
NO youre  wrong

ferryman

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he is trained to react to cadaver odour only and the other dog, Keela, to dried blood.  It is a cunning combination.

Why do you ignore Grime on this point?

Grime says Eddie reacts to blood lost by living humans.

Offline mercury

Why do you ignore Grime on this point?

Grime says Eddie reacts to blood lost by living humans.

Hasnt read probably
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