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Offline Benice

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2014, 07:12:12 PM »
The ONLY video of this witness is the footage you see in the documentary, of her shadow and her voice.
This footage was made by the documentary filming company.
The witness gave permission to the filming company to make the footage and broadcast it, on condition her identity was obfuscated.

Is this the same person Amaral is talking about below?   If so he gives enough information here for her to be easily traced and identified imo.

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Then there is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing.
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2014, 07:41:46 PM »
Is this the same person Amaral is talking about below?   If so he gives enough information here for her to be easily traced and identified imo.
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Then there is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing.
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Yes same witness.
Yes it may be possible with logic to determine who the witness is .
But Mr Amaral is not the only person who has used imperfect obfuscation of a witness identity.
For example a private detective company working for the fund hid the identity of a witness in block 4 (who saw a person supposedly watching 5A) but carelessly showed the witness name on a whiteboard faintly visible in the video background. At least Mr Amaral did a better job than them. @)(++(*
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Redblossom

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
Is this the same person Amaral is talking about below?   If so he gives enough information here for her to be easily traced and identified imo.

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Then there is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing.
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Easily traced by who? And for what purpose!

And why do people keep banging on about where is her witness  statement in the files  when its clear she never made one?
As if it not being in there somehow suggests Mr Amaral made it up!

 8-)(--)

Even if she HAD we all know now so many years later that the files do not contain every witness statement! in this case.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2014, 08:25:57 PM »
In car I have transported bags of household rubbish, bags of garden rubbish, bags of shopping leaking milk.
Of those the one leaving strong smell in car next day was bags of garden rubbish.
What is this coming from and what do you call "garden rubbish" ?

Offline Benice

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2014, 11:57:45 PM »
In the published files there is definitely no statement by this lady and no reference to her.

So this claim in his book must be false then?

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Later, I am brought the witness statement of a neighbour, according to whom, the McCanns left their car boot open all the time.
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2014, 12:14:32 AM »
So this claim in his book must be false then?

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Later, I am brought the witness statement of a neighbour, according to whom, the McCanns left their car boot open all the time.
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As I have said before, GA's book was translated from a French translation that I've never seen. There are mistakes.
Here is the text :
Já eu tinha sido afastado da investigação quando chegou ao meu conhecimento que uma vizinha do casal McCann na Vila da Luz, uma jurista portuguesa, relatava que, em noites anteriores aos exames realizados na viatura usada pelo casal, testemunhou que mantinham frequentemente a bagageira desta aberta.
I had already been moved away from this investigation when I learnt that a neighbour of the McCanns in Vila da Luz, a Portuguese jurist, had told that, in nights before the car rented by the McCanns was examined, she had observed that they often kept the boot door open.

No statement is mentioned here.

Offline Benice

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2014, 12:29:36 AM »
As I have said before, GA's book was translated from a French translation that I've never seen. There are mistakes.
Here is the text :
Já eu tinha sido afastado da investigação quando chegou ao meu conhecimento que uma vizinha do casal McCann na Vila da Luz, uma jurista portuguesa, relatava que, em noites anteriores aos exames realizados na viatura usada pelo casal, testemunhou que mantinham frequentemente a bagageira desta aberta.

I had already been moved away from this investigation when I learnt that a neighbour of the McCanns in Vila da Luz, a Portuguese jurist, had told that, in nights before the car rented by the McCanns was examined, she had observed that they often kept the boot door open.

No statement is mentioned here.

So can we assume someone in the PJ was passing him information after he had been removed from the case?  Surely that is unethical.

It also contradicts his claim that his book is completely based on the PJ files IMO.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2014, 12:39:18 AM »
So can we assume someone in the PJ was passing him information after he had been removed from the case?  Surely that is unethical.

It also contradicts his claim that his book is completely based on the PJ files IMO.
@)(++(*
Since when is it "unethical" for 2 POs to chat about the cases they are investigating ?
Thanks to that, they often make fruitful associations.

Offline sadie

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2014, 12:42:26 AM »
So can we assume someone in the PJ was passing him information after he had been removed from the case?  Surely that is unethical.

It also contradicts his claim that his book is completely based on the PJ files IMO.
YES assuming that, it is completely unethical ... and YES it contradicts his claim that his book is based upon the PJ files

Offline Benice

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #84 on: March 02, 2014, 12:53:23 AM »
@)(++(*
Since when is it "unethical" for 2 POs to chat about the cases they are investigating ?
Thanks to that, they often make fruitful associations.

If you say so.     IMO it is unethical to pass information to a person who has been specifically removed from a case.    Especially when that information was then used by Amaral against the McCanns in his book.

As none of that is in the files, then his claim that everything in his book is confirmed in the PJ files is false.

Night night Anne.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2014, 12:58:04 AM »
If you say so.     IMO it is unethical to pass information to a person who has been specifically removed from a case.    Especially when that information was then used by Amaral against the McCanns in his book.

As none of that is in the files, then his claim that everything in his book is confirmed in the PJ files is false.

Night night Anne.
Good night, Benice.
The video exists in the Portimao files.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2014, 12:59:15 AM »
New type of troll, the parrot one.

Offline pegasus

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2014, 01:12:47 AM »
Mr Amaral does mention 3 innocent explanations for airing a car.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #88 on: March 02, 2014, 01:15:06 AM »
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Mr Amaral does mention 3 innocent explanations for airing a car.

I can't remember ever having to air out mine...anyone else?

Lyall

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2014, 01:17:53 AM »
YES assuming that, it is completely unethical ... and YES it contradicts his claim that his book is based upon the PJ files

Based on but not a reproduction. He'd be incapable of writing a book without any personal interpretation, as would K McCann and any writer. It's impossible.