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Offline Benice

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2014, 01:06:25 PM »
Perhaps simply because he forgot they had left the other French window open.

Why would he forget something he had done every night previously?  That makes no sense.  The only way they left and re-entered  5A during the evenings was through the patio doors.     That's not something that would slip your mind imo.

 
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2014, 01:06:35 PM »
Perhaps simply because he forgot they had left the other French window open.

Or he went in the northside using key because that was now the nearest side for him to enter after he did something. He left via the southside patio door which means it is now unlocked before the next check at 9.30 which was originally Kate's check.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 01:08:43 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2014, 01:09:40 PM »
Or he went in the northside using key because that was now the nearest side for him to enter after he did something. He left via the southside patio door which means it is now unlocked before the next check at 9.30.

It does seem plausible to me that he would leave via the south (patio) door.
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Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2014, 01:22:13 PM »
Or he went in the northside using key because that was now the nearest side for him to enter after he did something. He left via the southside patio door which means it is now unlocked before the next check at 9.30 which was originally Kate's check.
I really don't think they left open a French window they blocked in day time when the most precious they had was inside, vulnerable. It doesn't make sense with Mrs Payne's report.
Mr McCann said the truth, he entered with his key (they would do the listening at the blocked French window) and he had something to do which he finally didn't achieve because he heard or saw JW coming up the hill with the pushchair. He went out, this time, leaving the Frenchwindow slightly open.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2014, 01:26:46 PM »
I really don't think they left open a French window they blocked in day time when the most precious they had was inside, vulnerable. It doesn't make sense with Mrs Payne's report.
Mr McCann said the truth, he entered with his key (they would do the listening at the blocked French window) and he had something to do which he finally didn't achieve because he heard or saw JW coming up the hill with the pushchair. He went out, this time, leaving the Frenchwindow slightly open.

Yes that's possible but with speed being the number 1 factor IMO if he accessed 5A then it was via the south bedroom door not the patio door which was locked.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2014, 01:32:39 PM »
Why would he forget something he had done every night previously?  That makes no sense.  The only way they left and re-entered  5A during the evenings was through the patio doors.     That's not something that would slip your mind imo.

 

But the detail of the last time Mr McCann ever set eyes on his precious daughter, where he stopped and just stood looking at her & was thinking how beautiful she was, her position on the bed or in, that is something that would just slip his mind IYO?
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AnneGuedes

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Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2014, 01:48:55 PM »
Yes that's possible but with speed being the number 1 factor IMO if he accessed 5A then it was via the south bedroom door not the patio door which was locked.
It's possible that he went out through the bedroom French window, but someone could note that those shutters were abnormally open.

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Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2014, 01:52:23 PM »
But the detail of the last time Mr McCann ever set eyes on his precious daughter, where he stopped and just stood looking at her & was thinking how beautiful she was, her position on the bed or in, that is something that would just slip his mind IYO?
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The under the cover of Mrs McCann because it was cold vs the on the cover of Mr McCann because it was hot is one of the favourite mistranslations of the conspiracy supporters !

Offline peter claridge

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2014, 01:56:57 PM »
The simple truth is that they didn't leave the patio doors unlocked, that was a lie to facilitate the fabricated 9.30 check by Oldfield a scenario that had to evolve because of the Smith family sighting.

The only truthful part of the 3 different timelines that were produced without the assistance of Dianne Webster is the meeting between Gerry and Jes!

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Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2014, 02:03:43 PM »
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The under the cover of Mrs McCann because it was cold vs the on the cover of Mr McCann because it was hot is one of the favourite mistranslations of the conspiracy supporters !

It is an easy mistake to make Anne; after all in most European languages the words for hot and cold are SO similar. It is easy to see how the untrained translators, who are so central to this case, would have made the error. 8)><(

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Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2014, 02:09:31 PM »
It is an easy mistake to make Anne; after all in most European languages the words for hot and cold are SO similar. It is easy to see how the untrained translators, who are so central to this case, would have made the error. 8)><(
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Likely the reason why taps have either blue or red centres instead of the words "cold" and "hot" !

Offline Benice

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2014, 02:16:59 PM »
Or he went in the northside using key because that was now the nearest side for him to enter after he did something. He left via the southside patio door which means it is now unlocked before the next check at 9.30 which was originally Kate's check.

I take it you mean ''after he did something'' criminal?    If that was the case - then surely he would want to hide the fact that he used the front door from the PJ at all costs?









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Offline Carana

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2014, 02:32:05 PM »
There was none, the PJ needed practical informations to look better for an abducted child and not to frame staging parents (in spite of what conspiracy adepts believe).
Sempiternally come back on this topic is vain.
What is interesting and available is to compare statement 1 with statement 2 of the same person, more than each statement with reality. Statements have always errors, whether the witness is sincere or not.
It is a fact that Mr McCann said something in his first statement, and another in the second (after having concocted meanwhile with the group the third collective time line).
It is also interesting to compare Mr McCann's first statement with Mrs McCann's one, both ot them having been made in the presence of the same interpreter.
Insisting to attribute the discrepancies to that interpreter and the PO (who certainly understood what the witnesses said) is clearly an attempt to give credit to some conspiracy.

I'm hardly promoting a conspiracy when I've been trying to explain why I find it logical that there could have been mistakes.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2014, 02:32:50 PM »
I take it you mean ''after he did something'' criminal?    If that was the case - then surely he would want to hide the fact that he used the front door from the PJ at all costs?

What was the easiest way for an abductor to enter? The key was a non-incriminating factor as well but it changed to unlocked patio in his 2nd statement because he had contradicted Kate's 1st statement of the patio door always being kept unlocked. That is also the easiest way for an abductor to gain entry and to start moving doors back and forth for the hell of it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: The confusion over the doors didn't help the investigation?
« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2014, 02:50:04 PM »
What was the easiest way for an abductor to enter? The key was a non-incriminating factor as well but it changed to unlocked patio in his 2nd statement because he had contradicted Kate's 1st statement of the patio door always being kept unlocked. That is also the easiest way for an abductor to gain entry and to start moving doors back and forth for the hell of it.

None of that answers my question.  If Gerry had used the front door as part of some 'sinister' action - then surely he would have wanted to conceal that fact  from the PJ - and would not have mentioned the front door at all?   Why give them clues?

It had already been confirmed in his first statement that the patio doors were unlocked - so it wasn't changed in his 2nd statement.

 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal