Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[Mr Gray]

He is I fear dead, in outer space or in a Trappist Monastery. Or possibly Wonderfulspam has a point.

anyone who feels WS has any point is in need of serious help....very serious help

[misty]

..OR MAYBE HE SPLIT HIS INFINTIVE AND BOLDY WENT, WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE. &%+((£

Smithman does not exist.

[Brietta]

Smithman does not exist.

Smithman certainly bears a strikng resemblance to Tannerman who was the first kid on the block.

[pegasus]

Some time ago Correio Da Manha reported that there is a new witness, a British woman, who reportedly saw a man that night talking on his mobile phone in English, while carrying a child. (It was never officially confirmed so may be incorrect).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4430.msg158974#msg158974

I think there was no mobile voice activity by any of the group in the commonly assumed removal window of about 21:10 to 22:00, and so if this reported sighting was in that period it is impossible to be any of the group - one would have to hypothesize this supposed "carrying while talking on mobile" sighting was at sometime after 23.00 to force it to fit in that way.

[pathfinder73]

Exactly.
But Gerry said he was wearing blue jeans & a light top at dinner that night.
Is anyone able to put a date to this image of Gerry in those beige buttoned trousers?

4 May - they were wearing the same clothes as seen below - Kate's green shirt is seen. David Payne said he wearing beige trousers at the table and was seen wearing them the following morning. The yard may yet question others to what they were wearing at the table not when the police arrived.

[Brietta]

4 May - they were wearing the same clothes as seen below - Kate's green shirt is seen. David Payne said he wearing beige trousers at the table and was seen wearing them the following morning. The yard may yet question others to what they were wearing at the table not when the police arrived.

Why would the Yard do that? 

What relevance would what they were wearing at the table that evening have to the present inquiry in which none of these people are persons of interest. 

I would imagine that David Payne’s alleged very close resemblance to Robert Murat would also rule him out despite the beige trousers; Mr Smith was at pains to point out that the man he saw looked nothing like Mr Murat.

[Anna]

How can anyone believe that these same trousers pictured above were used in a crime.
From the statement of someone...... IIRC

1. couldn’t see the colour of the child’s skin
2. Couldn’t see the man's top
3. couldn’t see the man's shoes
4. couldn’t see the man's face clearly to describe him except for skin colour
5. couldn’t see the child’s face

But...... she saw that his trousers possibly had buttons and the child had a light top with long sleeves( how come no sight of the hands adjoined to the long sleeves)...... in poor light.

If the trousers worn by this man are the trousers pictured above, I wonder why he kept them and wore them in an interview................................................
Memento perhaps?~~~~~

If I have mistakenly entered incorrect details , I apologize and would appreciate being corrected

[Wonderfulspam]

1. couldn’t see the colour of the child’s skin

cannot state the colour of her skin. She believes she was white.


2. Couldn’t see the man's top

She did not see what he was wearing above his trousers as the child covered him completely from the top.

3. couldn’t see the man's shoes

She did not notice what shoes he was wearing.

4. couldn’t see the man's face clearly to describe him except for skin colour

• (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal complexion, normal physique, around 175/180 metres in height. At the time she saw him, she did see his face but now cannot remember any detail. She believes that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember any tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not look at his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, cut in a short style, short from behind (normal) and a bit longer on the top.


5. couldn’t see the child’s face

She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. She did not look at the child's hands and cannot state the colour of her skin. She believes she was white.

[Alice Purjorick]

Because SY really, really do believe that there really is an abductor out there, who happens to look a bit like Gerry, wore some trousers like he had & changed Madeleines pyjamas whilst abducting her.

The are clever like that, innit.

He is out there somewhere with a findable child, but probably in that lawless village in the hinterland.

[Anna]

1. couldn’t see the colour of the child’s skin

cannot state the colour of her skin. She believes she was white.


2. Couldn’t see the man's top

She did not see what he was wearing above his trousers as the child covered him completely from the top.

3. couldn’t see the man's shoes

She did not notice what shoes he was wearing.

4. couldn’t see the man's face clearly to describe him except for skin colour

• (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal complexion, normal physique, around 175/180 metres in height. At the time she saw him, she did see his face but now cannot remember any detail. She believes that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember any tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not look at his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, cut in a short style, short from behind (normal) and a bit longer on the top.


5. couldn’t see the child’s face

She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. She did not look at the child's hands and cannot state the colour of her skin. She believes she was white.

Sorry, I forgot that she mentioned an age between 20  to 30(how old was GM?) and his hair, light brown(GM looks dark haired to me, but probably wrong), but didn't see the childs feet (which must have been near the buttons) or her hands(which would have been attached to the long sleeves)
A few believes and a possibly, which do not count

[Wonderfulspam]

Sorry, I forgot that she mentioned an age between 20  to 30(how old was GM?) and his hair, light brown(GM looks dark haired to me, but probably wrong), but didn't see the childs feet (which must have been near the buttons) or her hands(which would have been attached to the long sleeves)
A few believes and a possibly, which do not count

So she didn't think to scrutinise & couldn't quite recollect every inch of the man & his kid?

SY seem interested in him don't they, of course there is absolutely no way it was Gerry is there, because the McCanns are neither persons of interest or suspects.

So, which do you reckon then anna, is Smithman... the abductor, the innocent man or Scotch mist?

[pathfinder73]

Sorry, I forgot that she mentioned an age between 20  to 30(how old was GM?) and his hair, light brown(GM looks dark haired to me, but probably wrong), but didn't see the childs feet (which must have been near the buttons) or her hands(which would have been attached to the long sleeves)
A few believes and a possibly, which do not count

She was a child 12 at the time. 30 seems ancient for a child. Martin Smith said 40. Gerry was in his 39th year but still 38.

[Anna]

So she didn't think to scrutinise & couldn't quite recollect every inch of the man & his kid?

SY seem interested in him don't they, of course there is absolutely no way it was Gerry is there, because the McCanns are neither persons of interest or suspects.

So, which do you reckon then anna, is Smithman... the abductor, the innocent man or Scotch mist?

It could be anyone WS, who for some unknown reason is wary of coming forward, or the real abductor. I'm not sure that we will ever know the true identity of this man, but your theory doesn't figure up IMO

[pathfinder73]

It could be anyone WS, who for some unknown reason is wary of coming forward, or the real abductor. I'm not sure that we will ever know the true identity of this man, but your theory doesn't figure up IMO

Well we can rule out blackman, fat smellyman, spottyman, photoman and eggman as being Smithman aka Rudeman