Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[John]

This family are from the Irish Republic not Essex.  I would have difficulty understanding a fleeting comment made in passing let alone a Portuguese native speaker.  The argument that Smithman didn't respond to Mrs Smith because he had something to hide is possible but not infallible.  Not everyone you meet in the street in Praia da Luz is going to greet you as if you were lifelong neighbours and especially so in the semi darkness.

[Lyall]

But there was huge publicity at the time pegasus,  Why didn't he come forward then?

 >@@(*&) Because it was six years too late?

[John]

An interesting question in order to gauge how serious the Portuguese are at wanting to find this fellow.

If you were to wander around Praia da Luz today how many posters would you find showing the two latest e-fits, you know the ones which remained hidden to us for 5 years?

Less than 5?  None?  Maybe we should send Luz out on a reconnoitre?

[Sherlock Holmes]

An interesting question in order to gauge how serious the Portuguese are at wanting to find this fellow.

If you were to wander around Praia da Luz today how many posters would you find showing the two latest e-fits, you know the ones which remained hidden to us for 5 years?

Less than 5?  None?  Maybe we should send Luz out on a reconnoitre?

I think we know the answer to that question already....

[pathfinder73]

So you have exactly 36 minutes from the credit card transaction at the Dolphin until the sighting.
Do you think there was just one cash payment at Kelly, or two?

9.39 13.75 euros (Kelly's Bar)

So the sighting is 24 minutes later. Paid for one round of drinks at Kelly's bar at 9.39 and left about 20 minutes later.

[Redblossom]

An interesting question in order to gauge how serious the Portuguese are at wanting to find this fellow.

If you were to wander around Praia da Luz today how many posters would you find showing the two latest e-fits, you know the ones which remained hidden to us for 5 years?

Less than 5?  None?  Maybe we should send Luz out on a reconnoitre?

Did the PJ routinely put efits up of persons of interest in the streets? or do the Leicester Police  and SY do also?Dont answer, rhetorical question really. fact remains the Mccanns were happy to do press  conferences and efits of any tom dick or harry spending money to do so too and publishing dm in their book, but THIS ONE....if thats not strange to you I give up

[pegasus]

9.39 13.75 euros (Kelly's Bar)

So the sighting is 24 minutes later. Paid for one round of drinks at Kelly's bar at 9.39 and left about 20 minutes later.

Thanks for your clear answer.
What do you think re PS statement "a few drinks" ?

[pathfinder73]

Thanks for your clear answer.
What do you think re PS statement "a few drinks" ?

Yes Peter said they arrived at Kelly's bar at 9pm and had a few drinks. How can that be possible when they were at the Dolphin restaurant? Aoife said they left there at around 9.30 and moved onto Kelly's bar. I repeat she was the only one certain about the time they left at 10pm and a more reliable witness not being under the influence of alcohol and we don't know how many Martin and Peter had. As you know the Irish hate their drink 

[pegasus]

Yes Peter said they arrived at Kelly's bar at 9pm and had a few drinks. How can that be possible when they were at the Dolphin restaurant? Aoife said they left there at around 9.30 and moved onto Kelly's bar. I think she is a more reliable witness not being under the influence of alcohol and we don't know how many Martin and Peter had. As you know the Irish hate their drink 

If even just one or two persons of the group had a second drink at Kelly, that would IMO be a seperate transaction, therefore it would be the next till record after the one you are using, which would determine the earliest possible time the witnesses left Kelly.


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[Silkywhiskers]

If the man seen by the irish family was an innocent father with child, its likely he understands portuguese not english (BIG CLUE: didnt answer when greeted in english).
But you could argue, why didnt he watch on portuguese TV the full portuguese edition of the special BBC Crimewatch appeal and come forward after seeing it? You would think everyone in PDL watched that complete BBC Crimewatch appeal portuguese edition?
Well you'd be wrong, There was no portuguese edition of that Crimewatch special. And its not the fault of the portuguese TV companies, they asked and got refused.

I remember a Portuguese poster saying, the Portuguese know what happened because their equivalent of sir bhh came on telly and told them.

Perhaps Anne can confirm this.


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[pathfinder73]

If even just one or two persons of the group had a second drink at Kelly, that would IMO be a seperate transaction, therefore it would be the next till record after the one you are using, which would determine the earliest possible time the witnesses left Kelly.
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I think 20 minutes is a average estimate to drink one pint not two.

[slartibartfast]

I think 20 minutes is a average estimate to drink one pint not two.

Depends how thirsty you are....

[AnneGuedes]

I remember a Portuguese poster saying, the Portuguese know what happened because their equivalent of sir bhh came on telly and told them.

Perhaps Anne can confirm this.

I don't confirm that.
I don't think that it's specific to Portuguese to believe the more plausible : death in the flat and radical disposal of the corpse.

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[pathfinder73]

Depends how thirsty you are....

If it was a lads night out I would believe you. Not with all the family.

[Silkywhiskers]

If it was a lads night out I would believe you. Not with all the family.

Even more reason to scull it down..!

I am Mrs average and I can down a pint in 5 minutes on a hot day, then another then another.  Yes I'm genetically blessed but even at a slow rate I'd knock off 3 in the first hour then slow to about one an hour if I continue to drink.  If I'm eating I stop drinking at that point so would never have "nightcaps" like this crew.

What I'm saying is, I can drink a surprising amount if I'm in the mood.  Especially beer yum.