Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[Silkywhiskers]

What  ?  ... who  'carried torches'  ...  the Smith family  ?

Just the cleaning lady rewriting history...

[pegasus]

Streetlights cannot turn blue jeans into cream/white trousers.
Streetlights cannot turn short sleeves into long sleeves.

[pegasus]

Go to the Met site click "portugues" to get the version for portuguese speakers and and scroll down to the 2 smithman efits.
The text on the efits is in english. Why not in portuguese? This error could potentially lose SY a crucial witness.
 

[sadie]

Streetlights cannot turn blue jeans into cream/white trousers.
Streetlights cannot turn short sleeves into long sleeves.

So are you saying that Smithman was wearing blue trousers Pegasus?  And bundleman was wearing white cream beige trousers?

ETA.  I have been responding rather too quickly cos I am short of time atm.  I find I misread your previous post, Pegasus.  My apologies.  I attributed the comment incorrectly. 

However, I do think that in sodium light a very pale washed out  set of blue jeans could look orangy / yellowish.   Sodium light was very strongly coloured when we used to have it in the UK, and it overpowered other colours, probably because it was monochromatic .... so we just got shades of orange rather than hues.

In other words, any colours became greys of different depths and there was a strong mix of orangy yellow mixed in with the light, medium or dark grey.  Foul, it was, but better than no light.    Thank gawd it has gone.

 
The point I am making is that deep cream trousers would look exactly the same as pale blue jeans ... or pink or grey trousers, or ......




I think that bundleman stopped off probably at The Staff Quarters and if it was Madeleine, he put something warm on her there

What do you think?

[pathfinder73]

Streetlights cannot turn blue jeans into cream/white trousers.
Streetlights cannot turn short sleeves into long sleeves.

Very funny Pegasus. It's impossible to change from trousers to jeans? A top secret operation that takes how long after you know that 9 eye witnesses have seen you wearing cream trousers? It's impossible that Madeleine was wearing a long sleeve white top over her short sleeve eeyore top? Don't believe a word what the people involved in Madeleine's disappearance reveal. They want to put you off the scent - luckily that doesn't wash with the dogs 

And for the final time to everyone Fiona Payne asked Matt to go and call the police at 10.10 (NOT Gerry or Kate!). I don't know where Gerry asking him to do it comes from?

Fiona Payne

"Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search, you know, again assuming that she must have just wandered off.  Erm, tut, so, you know, I don’t know which way they went, but I, I went round the back of, erm, tut, well this way around the back of the apartments and round the back of the tennis courts on the main road and then cut down in front of the Baptista Supermarket and back up, that was the route I did. And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine.  Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’.  Erm, and I, I don’t know what Matt, erm, I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point.  I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’."
 
"Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police." (Matt Oldfield)

After Fiona tells Matt to go and phone the police at 10.10 she then goes into 5A where she finds Kate on her own with the twins. Fiona asked Matt to go and phone the police NOT the McCann's! Gerry is not there! He is also missing in the first searches:

"Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions." (FP)

No Gerry? Where is he from 10 to 10.10?

[sadie]

Very funny Pegasus. It's impossible to change from trousers to jeans? A top secret operation that takes how long? It's impossible that Madeleine was wearing a long sleeve white top over her short sleeve eeyore top? Don't believe a word what the people involved in Madeleine's disappearance reveal. They want to put you off the scent - luckily that doesn't work with the dogs 

And for the final time to everyone Fiona Payne asked Matt to go and call the police at 10.10pm (NOT Gerry!). I don't know where Gerry asking him to do it comes from?

Fiona Payne

"Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search, you know, again assuming that she must have just wandered off.  Erm, tut, so, you know, I don’t know which way they went, but I, I went round the back of, erm, tut, well this way around the back of the apartments and round the back of the tennis courts on the main road and then cut down in front of the Baptista Supermarket and back up, that was the route I did. And by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop and at that point then no-one had seen Madeleine.  Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’.  Erm, and I, I don’t know what Matt, erm, I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point.  I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’."
 
"Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police." (Matt Oldfield)

After Fiona tells Matt to go and phone the police at 10.10 she then goes into 5A where she finds Kate on her own with the twins. Gerry is not there! He is also missing in the first searches:

"Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions." (FP)

Where is Gerry from 10 to 10.10pm?

I am doing this from memory Pathfinder, but I think that Gerry and Matt went again when no-one came for such a long time .  It was about 50 minutes after Matt alerted at about 10.10  at the Main reception that the GNR finally arrived.

I think it is somewhere in the statements, but I am happy to be corrected if I am misremembering.

[pathfinder73]

I am doing this from memory Pathfinder, but I think that Gerry and Matt went again when no-one came for such a long time .  It was about 50 minutes after Matt alerted at about 10.10  at the Main reception that the GNR finally arrived.

I think it is somewhere in the statements, but I am happy to be corrected if I am misremembering.

You are correct Sadie. Gerry went to reception with John Hill (Matt was also there) when the PJ are contacted for the first time at 10.40. This is 30 minutes after Fiona asked Matt to call at 10.10 (The McCann's were not involved in Matt going to call the police at the earlier time because Gerry is out searching somewhere and Kate is in 5A with the twins).

[pegasus]

So are you saying that Smithman was wearing blue trousers Pegasus?  And bundleman was wearing white cream beige trousers?

I think that bundleman stopped off probably at The Staff Quarters and if it was Madeleine, he put something warm on her there

What do you think?

To your 3 questions
1. IMO smithman was definitely wearing trousers of colour cream white or similar. 
2. IMO the man seen by JT was wearing trousers as shown in SY innocentman photo.
3. Re the building you mention yes it is on Rua Escola just north of the sighting, and yes a good percentage of the MW seasonal staff lived there (you did very well to find that out BTW). Is it only from those two facts you build your theory?

[sadie]

Erm.. is something missing?

[pegasus]

The building which Sadie mentioned.

[sadie]

To your 3 questions
1. IMO smithman was definitely wearing trousers of colour cream white or similar. 
2. IMO the man seen by JT was wearing trousers as shown in SY innocentman photo.
3. Re the building you mention yes it is on Rua Escola just north of the sighting, and yes a good percentage of the MW seasonal staff lived there (you did very well to find that out BTW). Is it only from those two facts you build your theory?

Cant take the credit; I didn't find it out.  Someone on 3A's mentioned it and I used to sneak in and read.  Some good stuff posted by the locals.  harmony IIRC used to get on her bike and have a look then report back

They said that a scream came from there too. 

They also hypothesized that someone at the Staff quarters could have watched the comings and goings to 5A from there.  Using binoculars or a telescope.

Not sure that I find that very convincing tbh ... a long way, especially in the dark ... and IIRC there are some scrappy trees in between.

[pegasus]

Probably no-one on this forum has an actual copy of the official files DVD?

[sadie]

Probably no-one on this forum has an actual copy of the official files DVD?

I have a friend who has all the statements etc.  Official ones and I have been offered them BUT they are in PT, both physically and language wise

[Brietta]

1606 to 1610 Witness testimony of Martin Smith taken 2007/05/26 with map of sighting
06 Processo 06 pages 1606 to 1610

As he reached this artery, he saw an individual carrying a child, who walked normally and fitted in perfectly in that area, in that it is common to see people carrying children, at least during the holiday season.

This individual was walking the downward path, in the opposite direction to him and his companions.
Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.

1611 to 1614 Witness testimony of Aoife Smith taken 2007/05/26 
6-Processos, Volume VI, pgs. 1611 to 1614

— The individual's gait was normal, between a fast walk and a run. He did not look tired, moving in a manner usual when one carries a child.

1615 to 1624 Witness Testimony of Peter Daniel Smith taken 2007/05/26 with map of sighting
6-Processos, Volume VI, pgs. 1615 to1624

Immediately at the beginning of this road he saw an individual carrying a child, who walked normally, with a fairly quick step because he was coming downhill.

The Smith family  gave remarkably detailed descriptions of this individual when the poor lighting and brevity of the encounter are considered.  IMO they would have noticed and their suspicions aroused if he was running or was breathless because he  had been running while carrying a weight.

[pathfinder73]

SY knows he's the one. How many detectives are working on this case  >@@(*&)