Author Topic: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?  (Read 133456 times)

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Offline John

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #375 on: April 03, 2014, 08:59:54 PM »
Notice how many deceased suspects there have been?  When the current investigations fail, and I believe it is inevitable that they will,  watch who gets the blame.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #376 on: April 03, 2014, 09:03:08 PM »
No, Tanner indicates the person she saw as coming from apt 5A - how could she have known this?

Amazing insight Ms Tanner has.

I reckon she has positively identified creche man by his hair, each individual bit.


“But, I mean, I think, so the things that I’m happy, that are still in my head, that still stick in my head is the hair and it was longer, it was sort of longish and, erm, I don’t know how to (inaudible), but each, each, almost the hair was long, the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in, when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it’s shaved, not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each, each individual hair was long, erm, and dark, it was sort of quite dark and glossy, that sticks in my head.  And sort of the dark, dark clothes and quite billowy, not billowy clothes, but quite baggy, sort of they seemed, erm, not ill fitting but quite baggy clothes, like not jeans, but trousers sort of not Chinos but not Farrahs either, but sort of baggy’ish sort of ill fitting more than.  And they’re the bits that I remember quite vividly sort of”.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #377 on: April 04, 2014, 12:49:50 AM »
Amazing insight Ms Tanner has.

I reckon she has positively identified creche man by his hair, each individual bit.


“But, I mean, I think, so the things that I’m happy, that are still in my head, that still stick in my head is the hair and it was longer, it was sort of longish and, erm, I don’t know how to (inaudible), but each, each, almost the hair was long, the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in, when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it’s shaved, not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each, each individual hair was long, erm, and dark, it was sort of quite dark and glossy, that sticks in my head.  And sort of the dark, dark clothes and quite billowy, not billowy clothes, but quite baggy, sort of they seemed, erm, not ill fitting but quite baggy clothes, like not jeans, but trousers sort of not Chinos but not Farrahs either, but sort of baggy’ish sort of ill fitting more than.  And they’re the bits that I remember quite vividly sort of”.
I think JT's description of the man matches well the SY photo of the actual innocentman tourist they interviewed.
Re the thread title,
What if the smith sighting does get eliminated as another innocentman?
Will the investigation, with both such sightings eliminated, still assume that someone openly carried through the streets?

Offline John

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #378 on: April 04, 2014, 01:06:03 AM »
They're going to run out of suspects at some stage.  It's not as if the streets of Praia da Luz were swarming with people on the night Maddie disappeared.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #379 on: April 04, 2014, 01:19:54 AM »
Yes, the revelation resulting from finding innocentman1 was fairly easy, it increased the focus on the smith sighting, and shifted the likely time from something past nine pm, to about ten pm.
But if hypothetically an innocentman2 is found to eliminate the smith sighting, what other sighting is there to shift the focus onto, and how will it shift the time?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #380 on: April 04, 2014, 09:57:38 AM »
I think JT's description of the man matches well the SY photo of the actual innocentman tourist they interviewed.
Re the thread title,
What if the smith sighting does get eliminated as another innocentman?
Will the investigation, with both such sightings eliminated, still assume that someone openly carried through the streets?

I'm not mug enough to believe he existed in the first place.

And neither are Kate & Gerry apparently 'It's not possible to be certain'.

How can you identify someone who was never there in the first place.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #381 on: April 04, 2014, 10:16:44 AM »
They're going to run out of suspects at some stage.  It's not as if the streets of Praia da Luz were swarming with people on the night Maddie disappeared.

If you google 'Lurking near McCann apartment' you will find there were plenty of suspects seen doing just that.

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Offline John

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #382 on: April 04, 2014, 10:17:22 AM »
I'm not mug enough to believe he existed in the first place.

And neither are Kate & Gerry apparently 'It's not possible to be certain'.

How can you identify someone who was never there in the first place.

Sorry, you have lost me here WS?  8-)(--)

Are you saying Smithman never existed?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #383 on: April 04, 2014, 10:18:29 AM »
If you google 'Lurking near McCann apartment' you will find there were plenty of suspects seen doing just that.

But not on the evening of 3rd May 2007 surely  8-)(--)
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #384 on: April 04, 2014, 10:20:54 AM »
Notice how many deceased suspects there have been?  When the current investigations fail, and I believe it is inevitable that they will,  watch who gets the blame.

I believe the case will be archived again with the only conclusion reached by SY being Mr & Mrs McCann didn't do it because we say so.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #385 on: April 04, 2014, 10:22:03 AM »
Sorry, you have lost me here WS?  8-)(--)

Are you saying Smithman never existed?

No, I meant Bundlesteins Monster.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #386 on: April 04, 2014, 10:27:59 AM »
But not on the evening of 3rd May 2007 surely  8-)(--)

Just because nobody saw them at that time, doesn't necessarily mean they weren't there.

If a lurker lurks in the forest & there is no one there to see him lurking, did he abduct Madeleine McCann?

The MSM would say yes, he definitely did.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #387 on: April 04, 2014, 03:06:26 PM »
I believe the case will be archived again with the only conclusion reached by SY being Mr & Mrs McCann didn't do it because we say so.

Redwood and his team have been put in an impossible position, they are damned if the do and damned if they don't!!
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline jassi

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #388 on: April 04, 2014, 03:11:12 PM »
Redwood and his team have been put in an impossible position, they are damned if the do and damned if they don't!!

That shouldn't matter to an honest investigator.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #389 on: April 04, 2014, 04:00:32 PM »
Redwood and his team have been put in an impossible position, they are damned if the do and damned if they don't!!

I don't think anyone apart from a handful of people on a few forums take a lot of interest in this case...redwoods impossible situation is that he cannot investigate as he would wish at the moment