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Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2015, 11:05:25 PM »
How could it have been Aoife if the teenager allegedly witnessed JW & GM conversing together? Aoife was in the Dolphin at that time. Secondly, the report said father & daughter had been in Portugal recently to give statements & help with a reconstruction, yet Martin & Aoife went to Portugal way back in late May.
IMO this was an attempt at a 2 fold deflection - firstly away from Tannerman & secondly to provide an explanation for the cigarette butts on the balcony. Whilst Graham MacKenzie may not have made an official statement until Dec 2007, he did contact Crimestoppers with  information on 16/9/2007. A careful look at the copy of that report in the files shows that it appears to have had the bottom part chopped off - possibly the piece about the cigarette butts?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P15/15VOLUMEXVa_Page_3903.jpg

As far as the discarded butts are concerned ... was the 'teen smoking' story used to cover in some way for the sheer incompetence of the investigators in failing to bag evidence for forensic testing?
They were getting severe criticism for the botched investigation at the time.

Two stories ... one witness.
I think we may well have elements of both stories here. Both of which are designed to take the spotlight off Jane Tanner's sighting.

It is amazing how deeply Levy seems to be involved in all aspects of the misinformation churned out on an industrial scale.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2015, 12:03:45 AM »
As far as the discarded butts are concerned ... was the 'teen smoking' story used to cover in some way for the sheer incompetence of the investigators in failing to bag evidence for forensic testing?
They were getting severe criticism for the botched investigation at the time.

Two stories ... one witness.
I think we may well have elements of both stories here. Both of which are designed to take the spotlight off Jane Tanner's sighting.

It is amazing how deeply Levy seems to be involved in all aspects of the misinformation churned out on an industrial scale.

All that subdefuge to take the spotlight of Tanner's sighting and Crimewatch do it with just the merest hint of a smile from Redwood. Simply brilliant.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2015, 12:45:55 AM »
As far as the discarded butts are concerned ... was the 'teen smoking' story used to cover in some way for the sheer incompetence of the investigators in failing to bag evidence for forensic testing?
They were getting severe criticism for the botched investigation at the time.

Two stories ... one witness.
I think we may well have elements of both stories here. Both of which are designed to take the spotlight off Jane Tanner's sighting.

It is amazing how deeply Levy seems to be involved in all aspects of the misinformation churned out on an industrial scale.

The investigators failed to bag the evidence....the investigators failed to take Mackenzie's details.....no-one, including LP contacted him until after he had rung Crimestoppers....had he not rung in, would he ever have been contacted? That, in itself, makes me wonder about Crecheman's story.
I feel that the Irish teenager story was to be the explanation for the watcher's cigarette butts, should that ever be questioned. In the same fashion, Smithman was deliberately not investigated in 2007/8 because that oversight could be used as a valid defence in the event of someone being arrested for being Tannerman.

Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2015, 01:15:09 AM »
The investigators failed to bag the evidence....the investigators failed to take Mackenzie's details.....no-one, including LP contacted him until after he had rung Crimestoppers....had he not rung in, would he ever have been contacted? That, in itself, makes me wonder about Crecheman's story.
I feel that the Irish teenager story was to be the explanation for the watcher's cigarette butts, should that ever be questioned. In the same fashion, Smithman was deliberately not investigated in 2007/8 because that oversight could be used as a valid defence in the event of someone being arrested for being Tannerman.

As they stated, I think SY have established who Tannerman is.  It remains to be seen where that may lead.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2015, 09:00:44 AM »
The investigators failed to bag the evidence....the investigators failed to take Mackenzie's details.....no-one, including LP contacted him until after he had rung Crimestoppers....had he not rung in, would he ever have been contacted? That, in itself, makes me wonder about Crecheman's story.
I feel that the Irish teenager story was to be the explanation for the watcher's cigarette butts, should that ever be questioned. In the same fashion, Smithman was deliberately not investigated in 2007/8 because that oversight could be used as a valid defence in the event of someone being arrested for being Tannerman.

My goodness you're trying yourself up in knots misty.

And they call us [ censored word ]s !
« Last Edit: March 21, 2015, 10:31:51 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2015, 10:09:20 AM »
There is no statement from a smoking teenager in the PJ files.

Graham McKenzie contacted Crimestoppers on 16/09/2007 after seeing an article in the Sunday Express saying that the McCann's phone records were being examined. He was helping with the search at 11pm on 3rd May and was looking in the gardens near G5A when he heard someone talking. Looking up he saw Gerry McCann on the balcony speaking on a mobile phone. He was saying there were paedophile gangs in Portugal and he feared they had taken Madeleine.

The Crimestoppers calls seem to have been sent directly to Portugal, On 08/11/07 Ricardo Paiva asked Stuart Prior in an email if LP could get a statement form McKenzie. The statement was taken on 06/12/07 and emailed to RP on 21/01/08.

At the end of the statement McKenzie mentioned being given another apartment on the last day of his holiday due to having to vacate the one they stayed in all week. It was on a 'public balcony' facing the side of the McCann's apartment that he saw the cigarette butts. This can only be block 6. He says that he could see the front, side and back of G5A from the balcony, and suggested that perhaps someone had been watching from there.  ShininginLuz says there are no public balconies there. I looked on Google Maps and thought you would have to lean out from any of the balconies to see the front and the back of G5A. Perhaps Shining can elaborate on the views from the balconies.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2015, 11:53:17 AM »

Not only was Mr McKenzie public spirited enough to eschew anonymity when he contacted Crime Stoppers with information he thought might be of use to the investigation, he was public spirited enough to point out to officers on the ground in Portugal that there might be forensic value in the cigarette butts lying in a vantage point overlooking the McCann apartment.

Really odd that a member of the public could see that there might be significance in something that trained police officers not only overlooked but allowed to be destroyed.

As we know there are forensics from the apartment still to be matched.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/   

The person who left the butts on the balcony probably would not have been a match to anything found in the apartment, on the other hand he possibly could have been, but there was also a chance he could have indicated an accomplice who was.

We'll never know the answer to that one, will we?


**snip
It was across the road from the McCann's apartment and the public balcony overlooked the side of their building and the road.

You could actually see the front and back of the building from that view point.

I noticed on the balcony that there was a pile of cigarette butts as if there had been someone stood there for some time smoking.

I thought that was odd , and it could have been someone watching the McCann's apartment to monitor their comings and goings.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

**snip

“When I noticed the butts on the floor of the little balcony I became suspicious. Clearly someone had been there for some time smoking. I didn’t touch them but I spoke to Portuguese officers and asked them to take them for forensic analysis.

“No attempt was made to seal off the area and then I couldn’t believe it when the police let cleaners sweep them up. I was so angry at the time and I am still angry about it now. It was sheer police incompetence.

“Those butts could have provided the breakthrough in the case but I couldn’t get the police to listen to me. If the same situation happened abroad again I would sweep the butts up into a bag myself and insist they are kept for analysis.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/347692/Maddie-McCann-may-have-been-watched-from-balcony-witness-tells-Yard
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2015, 12:52:25 PM »
At no time in his original statement did he mention speaking to the police in Portugal. Strange that the newspaper story made no mention of the reason why he originally phoned Crimestoppers, isn't it?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2015, 12:25:43 PM »
I'll go back and have another squiz just to be sure but here are my thoughts at this moment.

The key part is the layout of block 5 (yup, block 5, not block 6).

Block 5 has a single central stairwell.  Every apartment above ground floor has to be accessed from this stairwell.

The four apartments on the ground floor have a pathway in front of them.  This pathway is separated from the car park by a wall about 1m high.  The way one gets from block 5 into the car park or from the car park into block 5 is via a gap in this wall, and the gap is directly in front of the central stairwell.  So everyone in block 5 has to go very close to the central stairwell.

Unless you have a completely unhindered view of the front of block 5, you can tell people are going in and out of the car park, but you can't tell whether someone is using a ground floor entrance, or the central stairwell.

Block 6 is L shaped, with 2 stairwells.  The short part of the L is opposite 5A, the long leg heads east away from block 5.

One stairwell is half-way up the long leg of the L, perhaps 40 or 50m from block 5, and there is no view whatsoever of the rear of block 5.  So let's move to the other stairwell.

That is where the long leg of the L and the short leg of the L come together, fairly close to the entrance of the car park for block 6.

There are 5 apartments on the ground floor.  Apartment 5 occupies the short leg of the L.  Apartment 4 is the one heading eastwards from this stairwell.  One floor up is apartment 8 (above 4), and apartment 9 (above 5).  I presume on the final floor it is 12 (above 8) and 13 (above 9).

So 5, 9, and presumably 13, are directly opposite block 5.  The rear patio of these is a great place to monitor the Tapas area and the rear of block 5.  The rear patio is near useless for monitoring the front of block 5.  You get to see part of the block 5 car park near its entrance if you are lucky.

From the front of this stairwell in block 6, you get a partial view of the rear of apartment 5A, but still not a clear view of the front.  That pesky central entrance/exit to block 5 is the problem.

In descending order of probabilities.
Apartments 5, 9 and 13.  Ability to clearly see the back from private balcony.  Limited ability to see the front from public access.
Apartments 4, 8, and 12, the ones using the same stairwell.  No ability to see apartment 5A from private balcony at rear.  Public access at front gives a limited view of the front of 5A, and a limited view of the rear.
Anyone not connected with these apartments.  Same access as 4, 8, 12 but no legitimate reason to spend hours monitoring there, thus standing out like a sore thumb.

I will pay another visit some time this week, to confirm.

The law on smoking in commercial establishments (pubs, restaurants) changed on 1/1/2008.  The establishments had to choose to be non-smoking or smoking (and had to install suitable extractor fans).  Of the 3 that I know remained smoking, all are owned/run by Portuguese folk.

If you have read Amaral's book, he recounts late night progress meetings where you could cut the smoke with a knife.

According to the PJ files, the Portuguese police were using one of the apartments in block 6 as a police station.

So, probabilities again, this time in ascending order.
Butts belonged to the police, so no interest.
Police could see that the location of the butts was not a place to monitor.
Butts came from someone who monitored, and is implicated.
Butts came from someone after the event, e.g. someone trying to get a different view.
Butts came from someone unconnected, probably from a country where non-smoking laws had been implemented for some time.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2015, 03:01:28 PM »
I'll go back and have another squiz just to be sure but here are my thoughts at this moment.

The key part is the layout of block 5 (yup, block 5, not block 6).

Block 5 has a single central stairwell.  Every apartment above ground floor has to be accessed from this stairwell.

The four apartments on the ground floor have a pathway in front of them.  This pathway is separated from the car park by a wall about 1m high.  The way one gets from block 5 into the car park or from the car park into block 5 is via a gap in this wall, and the gap is directly in front of the central stairwell.  So everyone in block 5 has to go very close to the central stairwell.

Unless you have a completely unhindered view of the front of block 5, you can tell people are going in and out of the car park, but you can't tell whether someone is using a ground floor entrance, or the central stairwell.

Block 6 is L shaped, with 2 stairwells.  The short part of the L is opposite 5A, the long leg heads east away from block 5.

One stairwell is half-way up the long leg of the L, perhaps 40 or 50m from block 5, and there is no view whatsoever of the rear of block 5.  So let's move to the other stairwell.

That is where the long leg of the L and the short leg of the L come together, fairly close to the entrance of the car park for block 6.

There are 5 apartments on the ground floor.  Apartment 5 occupies the short leg of the L.  Apartment 4 is the one heading eastwards from this stairwell.  One floor up is apartment 8 (above 4), and apartment 9 (above 5).  I presume on the final floor it is 12 (above 8) and 13 (above 9).

So 5, 9, and presumably 13, are directly opposite block 5.  The rear patio of these is a great place to monitor the Tapas area and the rear of block 5.  The rear patio is near useless for monitoring the front of block 5.  You get to see part of the block 5 car park near its entrance if you are lucky.

From the front of this stairwell in block 6, you get a partial view of the rear of apartment 5A, but still not a clear view of the front.  That pesky central entrance/exit to block 5 is the problem.

In descending order of probabilities.
Apartments 5, 9 and 13.  Ability to clearly see the back from private balcony.  Limited ability to see the front from public access.
Apartments 4, 8, and 12, the ones using the same stairwell.  No ability to see apartment 5A from private balcony at rear.  Public access at front gives a limited view of the front of 5A, and a limited view of the rear.
Anyone not connected with these apartments.  Same access as 4, 8, 12 but no legitimate reason to spend hours monitoring there, thus standing out like a sore thumb.

I will pay another visit some time this week, to confirm.

The law on smoking in commercial establishments (pubs, restaurants) changed on 1/1/2008.  The establishments had to choose to be non-smoking or smoking (and had to install suitable extractor fans).  Of the 3 that I know remained smoking, all are owned/run by Portuguese folk.

If you have read Amaral's book, he recounts late night progress meetings where you could cut the smoke with a knife.

According to the PJ files, the Portuguese police were using one of the apartments in block 6 as a police station.

So, probabilities again, this time in ascending order.
Butts belonged to the police, so no interest.
Police could see that the location of the butts was not a place to monitor.
Butts came from someone who monitored, and is implicated.
Butts came from someone after the event, e.g. someone trying to get a different view.
Butts came from someone unconnected, probably from a country where non-smoking laws had been implemented for some time.

Thank you, very interesting. Graham McKenzie said;

On the day of our departure we had to move out of our apartment and Mark Warner gave us another to use during the day until we left.

It was across the road from the McCann's apartment and the public balcony overlooked the side of their building and the road. You could actually see the front and back of the building from that view point. I noticed on the balcony that there was a pile of cigarette butts as if there had been someone stood there for some time smoking. I thought that was odd , and it could have been someone watching the McCann's apartment to monitor their comings and goings.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

So he may have seen the front and back of G5A but not both clearly? I was surprised that he had another apartment on his day of departure. I wonder what time he had to vacate his other one; dawn? His flight time home was the same as everyone else's. As with a hotel, people usually hang around the public areas with their luggage until it's time to leave for the airport.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2015, 03:48:57 PM »
Not only was Mr McKenzie public spirited enough to eschew anonymity when he contacted Crime Stoppers with information he thought might be of use to the investigation, he was public spirited enough to point out to officers on the ground in Portugal that there might be forensic value in the cigarette butts lying in a vantage point overlooking the McCann apartment.

Really odd that a member of the public could see that there might be significance in something that trained police officers not only overlooked but allowed to be destroyed.

As we know there are forensics from the apartment still to be matched.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/   

The person who left the butts on the balcony probably would not have been a match to anything found in the apartment, on the other hand he possibly could have been, but there was also a chance he could have indicated an accomplice who was.

We'll never know the answer to that one, will we?


**snip
It was across the road from the McCann's apartment and the public balcony overlooked the side of their building and the road.

You could actually see the front and back of the building from that view point.

I noticed on the balcony that there was a pile of cigarette butts as if there had been someone stood there for some time smoking.

I thought that was odd , and it could have been someone watching the McCann's apartment to monitor their comings and goings.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

**snip

“When I noticed the butts on the floor of the little balcony I became suspicious. Clearly someone had been there for some time smoking. I didn’t touch them but I spoke to Portuguese officers and asked them to take them for forensic analysis.

“No attempt was made to seal off the area and then I couldn’t believe it when the police let cleaners sweep them up. I was so angry at the time and I am still angry about it now. It was sheer police incompetence.

“Those butts could have provided the breakthrough in the case but I couldn’t get the police to listen to me. If the same situation happened abroad again I would sweep the butts up into a bag myself and insist they are kept for analysis.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/347692/Maddie-McCann-may-have-been-watched-from-balcony-witness-tells-Yard

I say again, Graham McKenzie contacted the UK police because, he says, he heard Gerald McCann on the phone at 11pm on 3rd May telling someone that he thought paedophiles had taken Madeleine. Nowhere in his two statements does he mention approaching the police about the cigarette butts.

According to the newspaper article Operation Grange re-interviewed him in 2012 and that is the first time he mentions telling the Portugese police about the cigarette butts. According to ShininginLuz the view of G5A described by GMcK from Block 6 isn't as clear as he describes it.
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Offline misty

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2015, 04:37:52 PM »
I say again, Graham McKenzie contacted the UK police because, he says, he heard Gerald McCann on the phone at 11pm on 3rd May telling someone that he thought paedophiles had taken Madeleine. Nowhere in his two statements does he mention approaching the police about the cigarette butts.

According to the newspaper article Operation Grange re-interviewed him in 2012 and that is the first time he mentions telling the Portugese police about the cigarette butts. According to ShininginLuz the view of G5A described by GMcK from Block 6 isn't as clear as he describes it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm#p15p3907
Graham MacKenzie & his wife stayed in Block 6 - near Raj Balu & Neil Berry.
Graham Mackenzie took part in the searches on the night of the 3rd.
Corrine Mac Kenzie went to collect a takeaway from the Tapas Bar at around 8.30pm on the night of the 3rd.
The MacKenzies used the childcare facilities during the week.

Yet the first official contact the MacKenzies had with anyone in authority was after they themselves contacted Crimestoppers & after the McCanns had been made arguidos. Graham Mackenzie saw the butts, maybe important, maybe not. The Crimestoppers report has the bottom part missing (check position of hole punch marks & measurements against other similar documents)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P15/15VOLUMEXVa_Page_3903.jpg

 Either way, the Portuguese CSI's didn't collect ANY discarded butts in the vicinity as there were "too many of them".
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
*snip*
09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2319
Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.
After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.
The recovery of cigarette stubs was not viable due to the existence of a reasonable quantity thereof within the referred perimeter.


I leave you to draw your own conclusions regarding the efficiency of the PJ investigation and to wonder why it was apparently so necessary for someone "close to the investigation" to invent a witness smoking on a balcony where cigarette butts were deposited which the PJ didn't know about - allegedly.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2015, 06:24:31 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm#p15p3907
Graham MacKenzie & his wife stayed in Block 6 - near Raj Balu & Neil Berry.Berry was in 606, can't find Balu, Mckenzie was in G31 except for a few hours on the day of depature.
Graham Mackenzie took part in the searches on the night of the 3rd.
Corrine Mac Kenzie went to collect a takeaway from the Tapas Bar at around 8.30pm on the night of the 3rd.
The MacKenzies used the childcare facilities during the week.

Yet the first official contact the MacKenzies had with anyone in authority was after they themselves contacted Crimestoppers & after the McCanns had been made arguidos. Graham Mackenzie saw the butts, maybe important, maybe not. The Crimestoppers report has the bottom part missing (check position of hole punch marks & measurements against other similar documents)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P15/15VOLUMEXVa_Page_3903.jpg

 Either way, the Portuguese CSI's didn't collect ANY discarded butts in the vicinity as there were "too many of them".
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
*snip*
09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2319
Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.
After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.
The recovery of cigarette stubs was not viable due to the existence of a reasonable quantity thereof within the referred perimeter.


I leave you to draw your own conclusions regarding the efficiency of the PJ investigation and to wonder why it was apparently so necessary for someone "close to the investigation" to invent a witness smoking on a balcony where cigarette butts were deposited which the PJ didn't know about - allegedly.

Just one point in blue Misty.
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Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2015, 07:16:43 PM »
28/04-05/05 G603 Nicole Cox & Raj Balu
05/05-12/05 G603 Parr
02/05-11/05 G604 Gill (donos booking)
28/04-05/05 G606 Neil Berry
28/04-05/05 G607 Curtis Leon Cameron Brain & Dr L Hurne
28/04-05/05 G608 Lisa Marjorie Preston
06/05-11/05 G608 Caroline Baker
28/04-05/05 G610 Anthony Hack
05/05-12/05 G610 Warren03/05-10/05 G13a Toshie Giencke
05/05-19/05 G16 Michael Allan
28/04-05/05 G16 Anthony Eaton
29/04-03/05 G19 Jan Lewardowski
03/05-10/05 G19 Julie Martin
23/04-11/05 G20 Dr Pawer
03/05-10/05 G25 Kevin Morris Wilcox
28/04-05/05 G29 Tushar Patel
05/05-12/05 G29 Michelle Anne Kerrigan
28/04-05/05 G30 Mark Handy
05/05-19/05 G30 Luke Benjamin Savage
30/04-05/05 G31 Mackenzie
05/05-11/05 G31 Brewin
28/04-05/05 G41 Sandra Bowness
28/04-05/05 G46 Antony John Heselton
03/05-10/05 G51 Irene McMillan
28/04-12/05 G52 George Blackbur

Are those apartments not part of Block 6? I thought that it was L-shaped.


Offline G-Unit

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2015, 07:23:29 PM »
28/04-05/05 G603 Nicole Cox & Raj Balu
05/05-12/05 G603 Parr
02/05-11/05 G604 Gill (donos booking)
28/04-05/05 G606 Neil Berry
28/04-05/05 G607 Curtis Leon Cameron Brain & Dr L Hurne
28/04-05/05 G608 Lisa Marjorie Preston
06/05-11/05 G608 Caroline Baker
28/04-05/05 G610 Anthony Hack
05/05-12/05 G610 Warren03/05-10/05 G13a Toshie Giencke
05/05-19/05 G16 Michael Allan
28/04-05/05 G16 Anthony Eaton
29/04-03/05 G19 Jan Lewardowski
03/05-10/05 G19 Julie Martin
23/04-11/05 G20 Dr Pawer
03/05-10/05 G25 Kevin Morris Wilcox
28/04-05/05 G29 Tushar Patel
05/05-12/05 G29 Michelle Anne Kerrigan
28/04-05/05 G30 Mark Handy
05/05-19/05 G30 Luke Benjamin Savage
30/04-05/05 G31 Mackenzie
05/05-11/05 G31 Brewin
28/04-05/05 G41 Sandra Bowness
28/04-05/05 G46 Antony John Heselton
03/05-10/05 G51 Irene McMillan
28/04-12/05 G52 George Blackbur

Are those apartments not part of Block 6? I thought that it was L-shaped.

I don't know. The lower ones haven't got a 6 in them? Where is that info please? I couldn't find Balu at all.
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