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Alfred R Jones

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Offline Carana

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2015, 02:23:23 PM »
I don't think she was found behind the sofa but in the small garden in front of the apartment.

What do you mean by "found"? There was no forensic evidence of her potential demise anywhere.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2015, 02:28:25 PM »
What do you mean by "found"? There was no forensic evidence of her potential demise anywhere.

Eddie alerted in the small flowerbed.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2015, 02:45:06 PM »
A brief stroll today revealed the following.

Block 1 is lettered, not numbered.  It goes from A on the east end of the ground floor to either U or Z at the west end on the top floor.  (The last apartment does not display a label.  The one next to it is either T or Y, but my eyesight is not up to telling the difference from the road.)  Whatever, block 1 is out re McKenzie.

However, the cluster of apartments to the south of block six have the right numbers.  There is certainly a 52, right next to 24 hour reception.  Those immediately south of block 6 start around 26, and 29 and 31, the ones G-Unit has flagged, are at the east end.  Entry is via the road behind block 6.  The rear of these, particularly the end ones, overlook the garden with the palm tree.

Back to the 'Irish sighting'.

My guess about block 6 numbering was wrong.  The 3 flats on west side, the little leg of the L, the ones opposite 5A are numbered 5, 9 and 12.  (Quite how they manage this I don't know.)

Block 6 is at a slight angle to block 5.  From the public balconies around the eastern stairwell (the one further from 5A), you get a surprisingly good view of the front of 5A, enough to monitor people coming and going.  You cannot see the front of other ground floor apartments, nor the central stairwell access.  You can see most of the car park. You cannot see the side of 5A.  You cannot see the rear of 5A.  You cannot see the Gerry/Jes meeting point.  And you cannot see anything of the Tapas area.

In brief, this does not fit with the 'Irish sighting'.

The public balconies from the western stairwell, those opposite 5A, give a view that extends nearly to the Tapas entrance.  It is possible to see this by leaning out a bit.  There is an excellent view of the rear.  This includes the gate, the steps and the patio.  Technically, you can't see the patio doors.   You can see through all of the windows on that side (assuming shutters open and curtains open).  Although you can see the car park entrance and a fair slice of the car park (run a diagonal from the corner of block 5 at the 5A end to the opposite side of the car park and that is roughly correct),  you cannot see the front of block 5 at all.  Nothing, not the opening from car park to central stairwell or any of the pedestrian passage along the front of the ground floor apartments.

So, great for monitoring the McCanns at the rear, good for seeing Gerry and Jes, but you would have to know Oldfield and O'Brien to be able to work out what was going on at the front.

As a matter of interest, does anyone have a source for this 'Irish sighting' other than Anorak?  This should have run through several newspapers.

Glad the weather improved enough to enable you to get out for a stroll.

With reference to the balconies around the eastern stairwell which give a good view of the front of block 5 ... what height are the trees?

I saw an image taken from a Sky News report at the time and the presenter was standing with the perimeter wall and the overhanging trees in the background and they looked pretty dense and I think they would have obstructed that view.

Unfortunately, I neither copied it nor marked it but I have attached a photograph showing the height of the trees in 2007.
 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2015, 02:45:31 PM »
Eddie alerted in the small flowerbed.

I'm aware of that (with a curious half-hearted woof and mumbles of coming back the next day). It was late and poor Eddie may have been hot and tired, but no forensic evidence was found. No synthetic fibres, no blood... no anything.


Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2015, 02:48:19 PM »
Why ever not?

Is there an obligatiion to answer all questions asked then ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2015, 02:50:53 PM »
I'm aware of that (with a curious half-hearted woof and mumbles of coming back the next day). It was late and poor Eddie may have been hot and tired, but no forensic evidence was found. No synthetic fibres, no blood... no anything.

Or poor Eddie may have been spot on.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2015, 03:09:23 PM »
Or poor Eddie may have been spot on.

That's possible. But nothing was found. I've always been intrigued at the idea that there could have been a sewage outlet around there, but no in-depth studies appear to have been done that I've found to rule that possibility in or out. So all that leaves is a late-night half-hearted woof.

Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2015, 03:15:33 PM »
Or poor Eddie may have been spot on.

... maybe even as spot on as whoever may have urinated in a conveniently secluded spot ...

 ... or perhaps even garden fertiliser ... "What we're all actually smelling is a combination of Ammonia (NH3), Sulfur Dioxide (SO2), Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) Nitric oxide (NO) and numerous volatile organic compounds (VOCs). Mixed in with those pungent gases are their odorless greenhouse bedfellows, nitrogen dioxide (NO2), Carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4)."
http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/how-pigs-can-compost-manure-farm-scale-saving-you-fuel-and-money

I think the significance of the exercise was Martin Grime's mumble as he pocketed something?? ... and we heard no more about the half hearted woof.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #84 on: March 24, 2015, 03:21:16 PM »
That's possible. But nothing was found. I've always been intrigued at the idea that there could have been a sewage outlet around there, but no in-depth studies appear to have been done that I've found to rule that possibility in or out. So all that leaves is a late-night half-hearted woof.

The sewage outlet is perhaps an explanation for the confusing 'alerts' ... a smell indiscernible to a human ... might well cause a VRD alert ... not necessarily at the source but where the odour had pooled.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2015, 03:43:01 PM »
Back to the title of the thread... has anyone found anything to corroborate that an Irish teenager having a fag within view of Jane / Gerry / Jez ever existed? Or is this to be filed along with the 24 photos that never materialised?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2015, 03:50:33 PM »
... maybe even as spot on as whoever may have urinated in a conveniently secluded spot ...

 ... or perhaps even garden fertiliser ... "What we're all actually smelling is a combination of Ammonia (NH3), Sulfur Dioxide (SO2), Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) Nitric oxide (NO) and numerous volatile organic compounds (VOCs). Mixed in with those pungent gases are their odorless greenhouse bedfellows, nitrogen dioxide (NO2), Carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4)."
http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/how-pigs-can-compost-manure-farm-scale-saving-you-fuel-and-money

I think the significance of the exercise was Martin Grime's mumble as he pocketed something?? ... and we heard no more about the half hearted woof.

The alert is in Martin Grime's report I believe.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2015, 03:52:36 PM »
A brief stroll today revealed the following.

Block 1 is lettered, not numbered.  It goes from A on the east end of the ground floor to either U or Z at the west end on the top floor.  (The last apartment does not display a label.  The one next to it is either T or Y, but my eyesight is not up to telling the difference from the road.)  Whatever, block 1 is out re McKenzie.

However, the cluster of apartments to the south of block six have the right numbers.  There is certainly a 52, right next to 24 hour reception.  Those immediately south of block 6 start around 26, and 29 and 31, the ones G-Unit has flagged, are at the east end.  Entry is via the road behind block 6.  The rear of these, particularly the end ones, overlook the garden with the palm tree.
Great, that definitely looks like the right spot - well done you

Back to the 'Irish sighting'.

My guess about block 6 numbering was wrong.  The 3 flats on west side, the little leg of the L, the ones opposite 5A are numbered 5, 9 and 12.  (Quite how they manage this I don't know.)

Block 6 is at a slight angle to block 5.  From the public balconies around the eastern stairwell (the one further from 5A), you get a surprisingly good view of the front of 5A, enough to monitor people coming and going.  You cannot see the front of other ground floor apartments, nor the central stairwell access.  You can see most of the car park. You cannot see the side of 5A.  You cannot see the rear of 5A.  You cannot see the Gerry/Jes meeting point.  And you cannot see anything of the Tapas area.

In brief, this does not fit with the 'Irish sighting'.

The public balconies from the western stairwell, those opposite 5A, give a view that extends nearly to the Tapas entrance.  It is possible to see this by leaning out a bit.  There is an excellent view of the rear.  This includes the gate, the steps and the patio.  Technically, you can't see the patio doors.   You can see through all of the windows on that side (assuming shutters open and curtains open).  Although you can see the car park entrance and a fair slice of the car park (run a diagonal from the corner of block 5 at the 5A end to the opposite side of the car park and that is roughly correct),  you cannot see the front of block 5 at all.  Nothing, not the opening from car park to central stairwell or any of the pedestrian passage along the front of the ground floor apartments.

So, great for monitoring the McCanns at the rear, good for seeing Gerry and Jes, but you would have to know Oldfield and O'Brien to be able to work out what was going on at the front.

As a matter of interest, does anyone have a source for this 'Irish sighting' other than Anorak?  This should have run through several newspapers.

Could I ask another question? I have often wondered about a statement relating to block 6. The witness says her boyfriend's sister lives in apartment 5, on the ground floor facing G5A.

On 3rd May she and her boyfriend left his sister's apartment at 10pm.

After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

There was some discussion about the 'front' and 'back' of Block 5 when the rogatory statements were taken. This witness must be referring to the front of Block 6 as the area to the south, opposite the Tapas entrance. Otherwise they wouldn't have passed the McCanns apartment if they went right then left. Do you agree? Interestingly they saw nothing at 10pm.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2015, 04:35:26 PM »
Is there an obligatiion to answer all questions asked then ?
Not at all, I'm simply curious to know why, when presented with a golden opportunity to present us with your highly logical and plausible theory (and after badgering me incessantly to poke holes in it) that you would now rather not discuss it.  It makes me think that maybe you don't really have the courage of your convictions?

Offline Brietta

Re: Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?
« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2015, 04:53:21 PM »
Back to the title of the thread... has anyone found anything to corroborate that an Irish teenager having a fag within view of Jane / Gerry / Jez ever existed? Or is this to be filed along with the 24 photos that never materialised?

I think it would be safe to consign it to the 24 photos file ... but one wonders why in the very early days it was thought necessary to invent incriminating? photographs ... and to deflect from either the tanner sighting or a watcher by inventing an Irish teenager having a fly smoke.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....