The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.

[Estuarine]

+1

[Mr Gray]

what did eddie alert to in the flower bed in pdl...wasn't it described as  a weak scent

[icabodcrane]

Well, seeing as its groundhog day again

Lenny Harper should know what was going on HE was the investigating officer


Listen to him here from 6.00 and the fable of the coconut! And other disgusting goings in in ths case!

Thanks for that Red,  it makes for interesting, if rather disturbing,  reading

The shameful story of this monstrous place appears to have been  'lost'  in another of those soul destroying high level cover-ups

Why are sub human paedophiles protected in this way  ?   

[Carana]

Oh thank you, Serendipity, I read your very interesting posts of last night, luckily not deleted.
My question was for Carana who insists that Eddie reacted to sex tissues. I can't find a mention of them in the McCann Files

I had said "in Jersey".

[Carana]

Ah sorry for jumping in Anne :)  I hadn't realised Carana has said that Eddie had alerted to sex tissues in PDL.  I look forward to their response as I too have never seen anything in the PJ files about such an alert

I hadn't.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.msg135029#msg135029
As we've discussed on other threads, he also reacted to sex clean-up tissues in Jersey, which Grime considered to be within his training parameters.

[Carana]

Eddie didn't alert to 'coconut' He alerted to cadaver scent.  As I explained last night, he alerted to an area of ground where bones had been previously found by workman before laying concrete.  Those bones had been binned but the gound that once contained them would still have been an area of interest to Eddie. So he alerted as we know and when the area was examined an object was found which was thought to be part of a childs skull but which later magically turned into a piece of coconut.  Now I personally do not beleive that it was coconut but if it was, the following makes perfect sense to me, as it also should to you.

'coconut husk is wood and wood will absorb odours. If the husk was in the presence of human remains material for years it will actually build up and retain large amounts of odour as a cumulative effect. The fact that the coconut is not human does not matter. It's the odour the dog alerts to, not the material on which the odour is deposited.'

I have never thought that Eddie actually reacted to the coconut, but to some scent on or near it. It was the humans who made the mistake, and it was compounded by the mistake of announcing the "discovery" to the press before the tests were completed.

[Carana]

Thanks for that Red,  it makes for interesting, if rather disturbing,  reading

The shameful story of this monstrous place appears to have been  'lost'  in another of those soul destroying high level cover-ups

Why are sub human paedophiles protected in this way  ?

There were two investigations:

- One into child abuse, and a number were prosecuted when there was sufficient evidence (a few others had died, and for some there was insufficient evidence).

- The other was the investigation into potential murders, which seemingly didn't happen.

[slartibartfast]

There were two investigations:

- One into child abuse, and a number were prosecuted when there was sufficient evidence (a few others had died, and for some there was insufficient evidence).

- The other was the investigation into potential murders, which seemingly didn't happen.

I would agree with that conclusion.

[icabodcrane]

There were two investigations:

- One into child abuse, and a number were prosecuted when there was sufficient evidence (a few others had died, and for some there was insufficient evidence).

- The other was the investigation into potential murders, which seemingly didn't happen.

"which  seemingly  didn't happen"   ?

That's enough for you is it  ? 

There is a  possibility  (  as indicated  by the bones found by the builders and the cadaver dog's alert )  that children suffered such levels of abuse that they   died  as a result  ....  and the  little bodies  of those,  who would never even be missed,  thrown into an incinerator like garbage

Why,  in God's name,  anyone  would make a point of rejecting that appalling possibility  ( when it exists )   is quite beyond me 

[Mr Gray]

"which  seemingly  didn't happen"   ?

That's enough for you is it  ? 

There is a  possibility  (  as indicated  by the bones found by the builders and the cadaver dog's alert )  that children suffered such levels of abuse that they   died  as a result  ....  and the  little bodies  of those,  who would never even be missed,  thrown into an incinerator like garbage

Why,  in God's name,  anyone  would make a point of rejecting that appalling possibility  ( when it exists )   is quite beyond me

According to police report they were animal bones and the bones that may have been human dated from several hundred years ago...the police believe that no children were murdered

[Carana]

"which  seemingly  didn't happen"   ?

That's enough for you is it  ? 

There is a  possibility  (  as indicated  by the bones found by the builders and the cadaver dog's alert )  that children suffered such levels of abuse that they   died  as a result  ....  and the  little bodies  of those,  who would never even be missed,  thrown into an incinerator like garbage

Why,  in God's name,  anyone  would make a point of rejecting that appalling possibility  ( when it exists )   is quite beyond me

The independent inquiry didn't find any evidence to substantiate that any children had been murdered. I've no reason to suspect that Wiltshire police were attempting to cover up homicide in Jersey.

Have you read the report?

ETA:


http://www.gov.je/Government/Pages/StatesReports.aspx?ReportID=561
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1999.20

[AnneGuedes]

"which  seemingly  didn't happen"   ?

That's enough for you is it  ? 

There is a  possibility  (  as indicated  by the bones found by the builders and the cadaver dog's alert )  that children suffered such levels of abuse that they   died  as a result  ....  and the  little bodies  of those,  who would never even be missed,  thrown into an incinerator like garbage

Why,  in God's name,  anyone  would make a point of rejecting that appalling possibility  ( when it exists )   is quite beyond me

It's like the use of the Joana case to discredit Mr Amaral. Who would post about le Haut de la Garenne if Eddie and Mr Grime hadn't gone there ?

[icabodcrane]

According to police report they were animal bones and the bones that may have been human dated from several hundred years ago...the police believe that no children were murdered

Well the policeman linked to by Red, above,  who was in charge of the case  ( later 'removed'  )  didn't believe that 

Anyway,  this is such a distressing subject that I don't actually want to converse about it with those who are content that a cover-up occurred   

[Serendipity]

"which  seemingly  didn't happen"   ?

That's enough for you is it  ? 

There is a  possibility  (  as indicated  by the bones found by the builders and the cadaver dog's alert )  that children suffered such levels of abuse that they   died  as a result  ....  and the  little bodies  of those,  who would never even be missed,  thrown into an incinerator like garbage

Why,  in God's name,  anyone  would make a point of rejecting that appalling possibility  ( when it exists )   is quite beyond me

That some can be so dismissive of such possibilities purely because there is a connection to the McCann case via the dogs absolutely sickens me.  Had such an alert been made by another dog belonging to another handler they would be shouting from the rooftops for there to an enquiry into what happened in HDLG.

Thankfully  there IS going to be one and I for one am very glad about that.

21 October 2013 Last updated at 06:13

Jersey abuse inquiry may be led by Frances Oldham

UK lawyer Frances Oldham has been nominated to lead the investigation into historical child abuse in Jersey.

A selection panel, led by Greffier Michael de la Haye, has chosen Mrs Oldham to replace Sally Bradley, who became unavailable due to ill health.

If her appointment is approved by the island's government she will chair the £6m committee of inquiry.

It will investigate allegations of abuse in children's homes and fostering services from 1960 to the present day.

Mr de la Haye said: "The selection panel is convinced that [Mrs Oldham] has exactly the right combination of empathy and firmness to chair the inquiry successfully in a totally independent and objective way."

'Establish what happened'
Mrs Oldham, a deputy high court judge, has 36 years experience of family and criminal law matters.

She said: "I am keen to ensure that the inquiry starts in early 2014.

"I am determined to run the inquiry in a way that will encourage all those who want to come forward to speak to us to do so.

"It is essential that the inquiry is able to establish exactly what happened in the care system in Jersey during the period covered by our terms of reference and I will ensure that everything possible is done to achieve that aim."

Mr de la Haye said the panel would work with her to appoint the other two committee members, whose positions also need to be approved by the States.

The panel's aim is to complete them by the end of this month for the States to assess in December.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-24595101

[Serendipity]

It's like the use of the Joana case to discredit Mr Amaral. Who would post about le Haut de la Garenne if Eddie and Mr Grime hadn't gone there ?

Spot on Anne