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AnneGuedes

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2014, 06:10:54 PM »
That some can be so dismissive of such possibilities purely because there is a connection to the McCann case via the dogs absolutely sickens me.  Had such an alert been made by another dog belonging to another handler they would be shouting from the rooftops for there to an enquiry into what happened in HDLG.

Thankfully  there IS going to be one and I for one am very glad about that.

21 October 2013 Last updated at 06:13

Jersey abuse inquiry may be led by Frances Oldham

UK lawyer Frances Oldham has been nominated to lead the investigation into historical child abuse in Jersey.

A selection panel, led by Greffier Michael de la Haye, has chosen Mrs Oldham to replace Sally Bradley, who became unavailable due to ill health.

If her appointment is approved by the island's government she will chair the £6m committee of inquiry.

It will investigate allegations of abuse in children's homes and fostering services from 1960 to the present day.

Mr de la Haye said: "The selection panel is convinced that [Mrs Oldham] has exactly the right combination of empathy and firmness to chair the inquiry successfully in a totally independent and objective way."

'Establish what happened'
Mrs Oldham, a deputy high court judge, has 36 years experience of family and criminal law matters.

She said: "I am keen to ensure that the inquiry starts in early 2014.

"I am determined to run the inquiry in a way that will encourage all those who want to come forward to speak to us to do so.

"It is essential that the inquiry is able to establish exactly what happened in the care system in Jersey during the period covered by our terms of reference and I will ensure that everything possible is done to achieve that aim."

Mr de la Haye said the panel would work with her to appoint the other two committee members, whose positions also need to be approved by the States.

The panel's aim is to complete them by the end of this month for the States to assess in December.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-24595101
Let's hope the truth will come out.

ferryman

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2014, 10:01:25 PM »
The EVRD was deployed in a wide area screening sweep of the site. The following alert indications were forthcoming:

VT / 9 Trench and gun emplacement containing small personnel shelter. Forensic examination revealed recently deposited tissues that appeared to have been used to ‘clean up following sexual intercourse’. It would appear that the shelter had been used as a venue for courting couples. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert.
Base of an oak tree planted as a memorial to the two sons of Mr Hamon, Flat 2 Delborgho Lodge, Upper Clarendon Road, St Hellier. The cremated remains of the two adult sons had been previously scattered just under the surface of the ground and the tree planted as a permanent memorial together with a plaque. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert.
There being no other points of interest, intelligence led excavation of the site commenced to locate and investigate defensive positions by excavation, forensic examination and canine screening.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2014, 09:57:55 PM »
the police dont seem to think there were any deaths

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2014, 01:26:14 PM »
the police dont seem to think there were any deaths

The independent Wiltshire inquiry didn't find any evidence of suspicious deaths during the timeframe under investigation.

I haven't found the final terms of reference of the latest inquiry, but it seems to be along the lines of a truth and reconciliation attempt, both for those involved and how to examine the past issues of child care theory and practice to move forward.

If new information comes to light, there may presumably be new investigations opened, but that doesn't seem to be the primary aim.


Offline Admin

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2014, 01:29:09 PM »
The independent Wiltshire inquiry didn't find any evidence of suspicious deaths during the timeframe under investigation.

I haven't found the final terms of reference of the latest inquiry, but it seems to be along the lines of a truth and reconciliation attempt, both for those involved and how to examine the past issues of child care theory and practice to move forward.

If new information comes to light, there may presumably be new investigations opened, but that doesn't seem to be the primary aim.

A coconut shell and a few baby teeth.  No human remains have ever been found.

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2014, 01:39:01 PM »
A coconut shell and a few baby teeth.  No human remains have ever been found.

There were a couple of human bones (besides teeth), apparently, but nothing related to the timeframe of the investigation. This must be on a thread somewhere...

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2015, 10:45:22 AM »


    Home News & appeals 2008 Press conference notes from Operation Rectangle update

Press conference notes from Operation Rectangle update

Press Release : Operation Rectangle

The States of Jersey Police have today issued the following press statement in order to clarify matters relating to Haut de la Garenne and to provide an update in relation to the wider child abuse enquiry.

In February this year, the States of Jersey Police commenced a search at Haut de la Garenne. This search resulted in the recovery of a considerable number of forensic finds.

In the weeks that followed, the enquiry was the centre of considerable media coverage and became a matter of serious public concern.  Statements which were issued by the States of Jersey Police suggested that serious criminal offences had been perpetrated against children and also that there was a possibility that children may have been murdered, bodies had been disposed of and buried within the home.

The States of Jersey Police are now making a clear distinction between the forensic finds at Haut de La Garenne and the investigation into offences of Historic Child Abuse.  It is emphasised however that the States of Jersey Police continue to investigate offences of abuse against children which occurred within the child care system in Jersey over several decades.

The States of Jersey Police wish to make it absolutely clear that central to the investigation, are the complainants and witnesses who have come forward and provide statements to the Enquiry Team. We are clear in our absolute commitment to the full and thorough investigation of the complaints which have been made with the aim of uncovering the truth and bringing anyone responsible for offending to justice.

It is also essential, however, to ensure that the facts are reported properly.

An assessment of the evidence available has revealed that the forensic recoveries do not indicate that there have been murders of children or other people at Haut de la Garenne.  Nor is it believed that the evidence indicates that bodies have been destroyed, buried or hidden at Haut de la Garenne.

Should any further evidence come to light, this will be assessed, and whatever action is necessary will be taken.

The Deputy Chief Officer, David Warcup, stated:

"It is unfortunate that we now believe that the information which was put into the public domain by the States of Jersey Police about certain ˜finds' at Haut de la Garenne was inaccurate, and we regret this.

With regard to the particular evidence which has been highlighted in the media, the States of Jersey Police are clear that these do not support suggestions that there have been murders at Haut de la Garenne.  In particular;

A Piece of Child's Skull

 An anthropologist made an initial identification as this item being a piece of child's skull.
 At 10:45 am the SIO made a decision to release information to the press about the find.
 At 2pm the same day a press conference disclosed this item as the finding of the potential remains of a child.
 This item was lying within earth that is now identified as being Victorian era.
 On the 31st March 2008 Dr Higham from the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit stated he believed the item was not bone.
 The original anthropologist reviewed her initial identification and on 14th April 2008 had stated she no longer identified it as part of a skull.
 Dr Higham and Dr Jacobi (of the British Museum faunal specialist) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood.  They went further stating it was more like a part of a seed casing like a small piece of coconut.
 The conclusions are therefore that the sample is a) Not bone and b) Not human.
 The States of Jersey Police satisfied that having liaised with the anthropologist and Dr Higham and other experts, that this item is not human and was found in a Victorian context.

˜Shackles' and ˜Restraints':

The item referred to as ˜Shackles' was found in rubble on the ground floor of HDLG on 28th February. These are in fact rusty pieces of metal. There is no witness evidence or intelligence which indicates these should be described as shackles or that shackles resembling this description have been used during the commission of any offences.

The item called a ˜restraint' was found amongst general debris in an under floor area. However, there is no evidence or intelligence indicating this is anything suspicious.

The Bath and blood stains:

This bath in the under floor voids has no water supply and has not been used as a bath since the 1920's when a brick pillar was constructed within it. During the search a specialist search dog reacted to the bath and a presumptive test indicated positive for blood in a minute area of the bath.  Following detailed forensic microscopic examination no blood has been found.  There is nothing suspicious about the bath and no indication this bath has been used in the commission of any offences.


The Cellars

These are floor voids.  They are not cellars, and it is impossible for a grown person to stand up straight in the floor voids under Haut de la Garenne.

Teeth

There are 65 teeth found in the floor voids and 1 elsewhere. They are milk teeth coming from at least 10 people - up to a maximum of 65 people. Around 45 of the teeth originate from children aged 9 to 12 yrs and 20 from the range 6 to 8 years.
There is wear on some of the teeth; these teeth generally have the appearance of being shed naturally.

It is possible for more tests to be done on the teeth to clarify age and other factors.

Bones

170 pieces of bone which are mainly animal were found in the area of HDLG which was searched. Many more pieces of bone were found in the area of the grounds, all of which are animal.

 Of all that material, there are 3 fragments which are ˜possibly' human; the biggest piece is 25 mm long.
 2 fragments date 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950
 These have not definitely been identified as human bone. Taking in all this information, this is an unexplained find if it is human, but not necessarily suspicious.

The Pits

These were dug in the late 1970s and are unexplained, but nothing suspicious has been found in either of them.

In summary;

 No people are reported missing
 There are no allegations of murder
 There are no suspects for murder
 There is no specific time period for murder.
  We are satisfied that there is no indication or evidence that there have been murders at HDLG.

 The Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police, David Warcup stated, "I continue to have every confidence in the detectives and investigators who are currently working on the historical abuse enquiry.  The have worked extremely hard in their search for the truth and to bring offenders to justice.

"This investigation has clearly had an impact on the very committed men and women who work for the States of Jersey Police and I am grateful to them for their hard work, dedication and commitment during recent months in helping to ensure that the people of Jersey receive a good service from their local force.

"I also wish to make comment concerning the relationship between Crown Officers working with the enquiry and the States of Jersey Police.  Much has been reported which suggested that lawyers do not work directly with investigating officers.
The fact is that lawyers do work with investigators on serious and complex enquiries, I can absolutely reassure the public that the relationship between the police and lawyers is a positive one and I have seen absolutely no evidence whats"ver which would support any assertion that they should not have been directly involved in the enquiry.  Indeed I would suggest that excluding lawyers has resulted in delays to the investigative process.

The Historic Abuse enquiry will continue to be led by Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell, who stated.

"I would wish to emphasise that we are not questioning the fact that historically serious offences have been committed against children. There will however not be the number of court cases or prosecutions which were originally reported.

"I have every confidence in the investigation team who are committed to bringing offenders to justice.

http://www.jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/november/press-conference-notes-from-operation-rectangle-update/

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2015, 11:48:31 AM »

Didn't Martin Grime do well.  96,000 Pounds for sweet fanny adams.  And another boost for his Private Company.
No wonder he bogged off to America.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2015, 01:45:11 PM »
Didn't Martin Grime do well.  96,000 Pounds for sweet fanny adams.  And another boost for his Private Company.
No wonder he bogged off to America.

Such bile towards a police officer?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2015, 02:01:02 PM »
Such bile towards a police officer?

There is no bile in my post.  Just great scepticism about  a retired Police Officer who was feathering his own nest. 

South Yorkshire Police refused to renew his contract because he was grandstanding with a dog that wasn't fit for purpose.  They knew what Eddie was worth.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2015, 02:10:45 PM »
There is no bile in my post.  Just great scepticism about  a retired Police Officer who was feathering his own nest. 

South Yorkshire Police refused to renew his contract because he was grandstanding with a dog that wasn't fit for purpose.  They knew what Eddie was worth.

Libel as well...
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2015, 02:13:42 PM »
Ah!  What I've just posted on Amaral and the dogs is, perhaps, better suited up here:

3.10.11 We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced
Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation
Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that
Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five
days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.
3.10.12 The forensic review carried out by    X of the NPIA
questioned the presence of Martin GRIME on site for such a long
time. X , was informed that Martin GRIME had been
acting as a Deputy Crime Scene Manager to Forensic Service
Manager X , at the request of DCO HARPER. The forensic
review noted Martin GRIME’s lack of formal training or qualifications
to perform the role of Deputy Forensic Service Manager and that to
utilise him in this role ‘cannot be recognised as good practice’. The
review also noted that ‘there was concern from some persons
interviewed that too much reliance had been placed on the dogs’. It is
accepted that dogs are ‘presumptive screening assets’ only and that
any alerts or indications they give must be forensically corroborated.
In addition, it is a fact that there were no concise terms of reference
for the deployment of Martin GRIME and his EVRD or his subsequent
use as a search advisor, apparently with the support of
DCO HARPER.
3.10.13 CO POWER himself states ‘the search dog seemed to play a
significant role in determining whether a specific location needed to
be examined further. I am not an expert on dogs or what they do’.
3.10.14 Again, there is a distinct lack of documentary evidence to show any
intrusive supervision of the SIO with regard to the continued search.
This Inquiry concludes that the actions of DCO HARPER and
Martin GRIME went unsupervised for some considerable time. To
Page 116 of 383


Supervision Highly Confidential – Personal Information
CO POWER’s credit, there is an e-mail exchange between him and
DCO HARPER dated 10 May 2008 in which CO POWER raises the
question of the continued use of Martin GRIME and his EVRD. He
says ‘Lenny, it has struck me for some time that he [Mr GRIME] is an
expensive resource who has more than his fair shared of down time’.
DCO HARPER replied in the same e-mail string ‘to be fair to him
though, he hasn’t got much down time as he is also the NPIA search
coordinator and is fully employed’. CO POWER replies ‘Thanks.
Better understood now’. CO POWER does not appear to pursue the
matter further.
3.10.15 However, DCO HARPER’s reply was not factually accurate.
Martin GRIME was neither an NPIA search advisor nor fully
employed. In his statement, Martin GRIME states that ‘I am a Subject
Matter Expert registered with the UK National Policing Improvement
Agency and specialist homicide canine search advisor… I advise
Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of police dogs in the role of homicide
investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable
evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training’. His expertise lay
purely in the use of dogs in searching, not as a 'search co-ordinator'.
3.10.16 OFFICER X notes that during conversation with X, CO POWER
accepted that ‘the dog was ‘probably unreliable’ and that the dog
handler, GRIME, had too much influence over the enquiry, again,
Mr POWER didn’t say how he managed or dealt with that issue’. This
Inquiry has been unable to establish whether CO POWER made any
further attempts to supervise the SIO in this key part of the
investigation.
3.10.17 OFFICER X concludes ‘decisions should be made based on
professional policing judgement and evidence. When you look at the
facts, the excavation and searching of Haut De La Garenne… was
not justified’.


Operation Rectangle

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2015, 04:35:17 PM »
This is an interesting document (IMO). There's quite a lot concerning Grime's services, especially as of p. 36 of the document (p. 40 of the pdf).

Operation Rectangle Review of the Efficient and Effective Use of Resources
Report to the Home Affairs Minister, Home Affairs Department, States of Jersey.
BDO Alto May 2010

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2015, 04:48:20 PM »
The investigation seemed to be going reasonably well pre-coconut.

It wasn't Eddie who found it, apparently. It was found during excavations and was then presented to Eddie, who helpfully alerted to it.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2015, 04:52:31 PM »
The investigation seemed to be going reasonably well pre-coconut.

It wasn't Eddie who found it, apparently. It was found during excavations and was then presented to Eddie, who helpfully alerted to it.

Cite?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.