The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.

[ferryman]

On  6th  December  2010,  the  former  Chief  Minister,  Senator  T.A. Le Sueur,  made  the
following apology –

“On  behalf  of  the  Island’s  government,  I  acknowledge  that  the  care  system that  operated  historically  in  the  Island  of  Jersey failed  some  children  in  the States’  residential  care  in  a  serious  way.  Such  abuse  has  been  confirmed  by the  criminal  cases  that  have  been  before  Jersey’s  courts.  To  all  those  who suffered abuse, whether confirmed by criminal conviction or not, the Island’s
government offers its unreserved apology.”

In  making  that  apology,  the  States  of  Jersey  acknowledged  failings  in  the  Island’s historical   residential   care   system   identified   during   the   States   of   Jersey   Police investigation,   ‘Operation   Rectangle’.   Operation   Rectangle   identified   a   total   of 533 alleged  offences  reported  and  recorded  between
September  2007  and  December 2010.  Of  these,  315  were  reported  as  being  committed  at  Haut  de  la  Garenne children’s  home.  Eight  people  were  prosecuted  for  145 offences,  and  7 convictions were   secured.   

Police   identified   151 named   offenders and   192 victims.   As   a consequence,  on  9th  March  2012,  the  Council  of  Ministers  agreed  the  details  of  a Historic Abuse Redress Scheme for those who were in the States of Jersey’s full-time residential care between 9th May 1945 and 31st December 1994.

Detailed discussions with  claimants’  lawyers  concluded  that  individuals concerned  would  prefer  to  settle matters,  if  possible,  outside  of  public  and  adversarial  court  proceedings.  Under  the Scheme,  which  began  in  April  2012,  claimants  provided  the  relevant  details  and  the Scheme lawyers assessed each claim.
http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyPropositions/2015/P.20-2015.pdf

There's the nub.

Proper redress for actual victims, but no murder most foul.

So remind me, what was that barking by Eddie all about?

[stephen25000]

There's the nub.

Proper redress for actual victims, but no murder most foul.

So remind me, what was that barking by Eddie all about?

As I said the other day ferryman, the jersey case is far from over.

[Mr Gray]

As I said the other day ferryman, the jersey case is far from over.

We are al well warring that but no evidence of any deaths thank god

[mercury]

No, it doesn't seem to be the psychotic woman.

I've read through all the accounts in the link I gave (you have to keep clicking "load more" to get to the start). There are loads of accounts ranging from the types of sexual abuse mentioned above to various forms of corporal or other punishment (which would be considered abuse today, but was probably considered within the bounds of "discipline" at the time). Some witnesses / victims were heard in private and it's not always clear if a summary of those was provided to the journalists or not.

None mention suspicious disappearances or murder (unless they are part of the private hearings and are under investigation).

There is this, though, which may account for what that lady was saying:



12:14 pm, Wed 14 Jan 2015

Staff shortages and a high turnover of short term admissions at Haut de la Garenne care home are being brought into question at Jersey's Independent Care Inquiry today.

(...)


Described as the islands most accessible residential resource, there was a very high turnover of admissions. Sixty-five per cent of children left within two weeks.

The report read that using the facility for a great deal of short term care and long term residents is easily conflicting and highly unsatisfactory.

It noted, 'long stay children have a less than fair deal' and described them as a group who have 'emotional needs that are not being met', which 'must deepen the frustration of the child'.

http://www.itv.com/news/channel/story/2014-09-10/latest-jersey-care-inquiry/

It sounds as if no one really knows and/or there was a cover up. I doubt any police force would use cadaver dogs if they didnt think it necessary.

[Carana]

It sounds as if no one really knows and/or there was a cover up. I doubt any police force would use cadaver dogs if they didn't think it necessary.

There are most certainly failings in terms of child care / protection.

At one end, there would seem to be a few untrained but goodhearted people who were doing their best and, at the other extreme, child predators and general sadists, with everything in between.

I don't find it reasonable for any police force to simply dismiss rumours of suspicious disappearances or descriptions of potential murders. On the other hand, thorough desk research of records and cross-referencing witness statements (including the credibility of each), and the history of the place might have eliminated the need to gut the place.

At the moment (and I still have more reading to do), I get the impression that there may well have been a cover-up of some of the abuse. Some of that could turn out to be deliberately covering up for sexual or harsh physical abuse, and / or, concerning physical abuse, a dismissive (ultraconservative) attitude to child welfare and discipline.

In one or two of the accounts in the itv updates, the children's accounts of sexual abuse were acted upon - but only to dismiss the adult in question. One at least then went on to abuse at least one other child. In one case, it was the victim's father who didn't want the head of the home to involve the police for some reason, perhaps simply to protect the child's privacy... no idea.

I do hope that this inquiry will help to bring closure to the victims. It's expected to carry on for another year, so time will tell.

[Carana]

There's the nub.

Proper redress for actual victims, but no murder most foul.

So remind me, what was that barking by Eddie all about?

Two well-known cocktails: Piña Colada and Sex on the Beach (minus the piña and the beach).

Aside from that, 165 teeth and a substantial quantity of bones, three of which may "possibly" have been human (according to the SoJP update that I've posted somewhere here, but were prior to the timeframe of the murder inquiry).

There may be a bit more, I'll have another rummage.

[stephen25000]

We are al well warring that but no evidence of any deaths thank god

and the accounts of former children who were there ....

[Miss Taken Identity]

and the accounts of former children who were there ....

Yes indeed, and also the allegations about the alledged visits  by a PM( who had a yacht) and Jimmy Saville- Saville known as a prolific sex abuser,necrophiliac, and sadistic b........, according to some.

The children who vanished may have been murdered but may not have been buried on the island. The investigation may well be in its infancy and joining up with other investigations in the UK. A powerful group of people seem to be getting their come uppance..shame some are dead already!

[sadie]

Yes indeed, and also the allegations about the alledged visits  by a PM( who had a yacht) and Jimmy Saville- Saville known as a prolific sex abuser,necrophiliac, and sadistic b........, according to some.

The children who vanished may have been murdered but may not have been buried on the island. The investigation may well be in its infancy and joining up with other investigations in the UK. A powerful group of people seem to be getting their come uppance..shame some are dead already!

I am with you here Mistaken.

Illegally several years ago, someone showed me the Operation Ore list.  I was staggered at the top names on that list.  Many big names from the political parties [and the Lords IIRC ].  I never made note of the names, but they were shockingly familiar in many cases.



For those that dont know what Operation Ore was, it was based on Operation Avalanche in the US.


It has been a long time ago, but I think that they monitored an American Paedophile website named Landslide and gathered the names  and email addies of people who logged in; ?maybe paid for access, am no longer sure about that.


They gathered hundreds and hundreds of names .... but as so often is the case, it seems from glancing at more recent reports  that powerful people managed to get the list kept secret and enquiries closed down.   I wonder if undue pressure was put on the police?


Powerful people, the very rich and influential, seem to be untouchables.

[Carana]

Yes indeed, and also the allegations about the alledged visits  by a PM( who had a yacht) and Jimmy Saville- Saville known as a prolific sex abuser,necrophiliac, and sadistic b........, according to some.

The children who vanished may have been murdered but may not have been buried on the island. The investigation may well be in its infancy and joining up with other investigations in the UK. A powerful group of people seem to be getting their come uppance..shame some are dead already!

It doesn't appear as if anyone "vanished" though, at least not while in the "care" of the HdlG home. 

In summary:

No people are reported missing
There are no allegations of murder
There are no suspects for murder
There is no specific time period for murder.
We are satisfied that there is no indication or evidence that there have been murders at HDLG.
http://www.jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/november/press-conference-notes-from-operation-rectangle-update/

[Miss Taken Identity]

It doesn't appear as if anyone "vanished" though, at least not while in the "care" of the HdlG home. 

In summary:

No people are reported missing
There are no allegations of murder
There are no suspects for murder
There is no specific time period for murder.
We are satisfied that there is no indication or evidence that there have been murders at HDLG.
http://www.jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/november/press-conference-notes-from-operation-rectangle-update/

Well the summary seems to be in order to relinquish blame now doesn't it on first glance... but then let's take a closer look and break down some 'stuff'.

No people are reported missing
No people have been reported missing because the children were orphans- no one was keeping track and no one cared.
There are no allegations of murder
Who is going to make allegations without some weighted suspicion or evidence?
There are no suspects for murder
Why would there be suspects of a crime that has not been reported fgs (  actually smirked at that one)
There is no specific time period for murder.
What does this mean exactly? more waffle
We are satisfied that there is no indication or evidence that there have been murders at HDLG
being satisfied that they may have let  abusive and murderous behaviour go un noticed/not investigated/un punished.

Lifting their skirts and running to them there hills.... sounds like it.

[Carana]

Well the summary seems to be in order to relinquish blame now doesn't it on first glance... but then let's take a closer look and break down some 'stuff'.

No people are reported missing
No people have been reported missing because the children were orphans- no one was keeping track and no one cared.
There are no allegations of murder
Who is going to make allegations without some weighted suspicion or evidence?
There are no suspects for murder
Why would there be suspects of a crime that has not been reported fgs (  actually smirked at that one)
There is no specific time period for murder.
What does this mean exactly? more waffle
We are satisfied that there is no indication or evidence that there have been murders at HDLG
being satisfied that they may have let  abusive and murderous behaviour go un noticed/not investigated/un punished.

Lifting their skirts and running to them there hills.... sounds like it.

If you read up 65% of the kids at HdlG were there for temporary 2-week stays: respite care appears in some of the documentation; others were longer-term residents.

This current inquiry is quite large: the scope goes back to 1945. One of the accounts concerns a boy who was there even earlier but was still there at the end of the war.

Some, during the timescale under investigation, would have been war orphans, others were from poor families for other reasons who couldn't afford to keep them at home, although many went home to family at weekends (unless they got into trouble). There were quite a few illegitimate children born out of affairs arising from the occupation, and some of those may have ended up in one of these homes.

Many of these children were vulnerable for all sorts of reasons and I have no reason to doubt that sexual and physical abuse did indeed occur (whether by staff, people connected to staff, visitors, or even older juvenile residents).

However... so far, I still haven't found anything to substantiate that anyone vanished in mysterious circumstances while there, nor was murdered there.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you read up 65% of the kids at HdlG were there for temporary 2-week stays: respite care appears in some of the documentation; others were longer-term residents.

This current inquiry is quite large: the scope goes back to 1945. One of the accounts concerns a boy who was there even earlier but was still there at the end of the war.

Some, during the timescale under investigation, would have been war orphans, others were from poor families for other reasons who couldn't afford to keep them at home, although many went home to family at weekends (unless they got into trouble). There were quite a few illegitimate children born out of affairs arising from the occupation, and some of those may have ended up in one of these homes.

Many of these children were vulnerable for all sorts of reasons and I have no reason to doubt that sexual and physical abuse did indeed occur (whether by staff, people connected to staff, visitors, or even older juvenile residents).

However... so far, I still haven't found anything to substantiate that anyone vanished in mysterious circumstances while there, nor was murdered there.

And unless you have access to accurate data you will not find any. let us say for example child B was an orphan moved from someplace else for what ever reason... he disappears- questions are asked about his where abouts and they are told the child was claimed by a lost know relative- moved on to another place... these were not recorded properly infact you would be shocked to know that even in this day and age  this goes on and social services never report publically  about children who get abused or go missing whilst in their 'books'. all hush hush.

Thank goodness people now feel it easier to report these crimes. and police now take them seriously!

[Carana]

And unless you have access to accurate data you will not find any. let us say for example child B was an orphan moved from someplace else for what ever reason... he disappears- questions are asked about his where abouts and they are told the child was claimed by a lost know relative- moved on to another place... these were not recorded properly infact you would be shocked to know that even in this day and age  this goes on and social services never report publically  about children who get abused or go missing whilst in their 'books'. all hush hush.

Thank goodness people now feel it easier to report these crimes. and police now take them seriously!

Possible... but this case is 9 years on and still no formal murder investigation, despite the enormous sums involved in digging up HdlG.

There seems to be a lot of aggro behind the scenes, some of it possibly due to clashes of personality. One of the next phases in the current inquiry will examine the role of the police and possibly other authorities, and I suspect that the officers who took over from Harper and Power, and those in other positions of officialdom, will be in for a share of criticism as well.

I don't find it inconceivable that one or more children may have disappeared as records can be forged, mistakes made. If ever any children were murdered or left to die and had been forgotten, I really hope that the truth will come to light, even if those responsible have since died or can't be found. At least a little plaque somewhere could mark their lives and serve as a reminder.

So far, however, I can't find any evidence of murder at HdlG.

[mercury]

Possible... but this case is 9 years on and still no formal murder investigation, despite the enormous sums involved in digging up HdlG.

There seems to be a lot of aggro behind the scenes, some of it possibly due to clashes of personality. One of the next phases in the current inquiry will examine the role of the police and possibly other authorities, and I suspect that the officers who took over from Harper and Power, and those in other positions of officialdom, will be in for a share of criticism as well.

I don't find it inconceivable that one or more children may have disappeared as records can be forged, mistakes made. If ever any children were murdered or left to die and had been forgotten, I really hope that the truth will come to light, even if those responsible have since died or can't be found. At least a little plaque somewhere could mark their lives and serve as a reminder.

So far, however, I can't find any evidence of murder at HdlG.

Don't you think it is feasible that the care home may have covered up any murders or disappearances?
I mean, if they were lax and allowed in the so called beast of painsnal or whatever his name was?