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AnneGuedes

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Yet again... please point me to wherever you have assumed that the sex tissues in Jersey that I mentioned were in the PJ files.
For ages you have been mentioning sex tissues in the MCCANN case that could explain Eddie's alerts in the 5A.  Do you admit that it was just a suggestion and that no such tissue was found in the 5A ?
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Offline Carana

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 06:28:48 PM »
For ages you have been mentioning sex tissues in the MCCANN case that could explain Eddie's alerts in the 5A.  Do you admit that it was just a suggestion and that no such tissue was found in the 5A ?


I have suggested that Eddie may have reacted to odours which didn't involve a cadaver in 5a, particularly as the apartment was occupied by four different families and visited by miscellaneous other people between the disappearance and the dog inspection. I cited the Jersey tissues as an example of a recent odour that he could have been reacting to.

I have never stated that such tissues were found in 5A, so I don't understand your issue.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2014, 08:04:08 PM »

I have never stated that such tissues were found in 5A, so I don't understand your issue.
I'm sure you'll understand that any suggestion of Eddie alerting to sex tissues in the 5A is groundless.

Offline Carana

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2014, 08:17:33 PM »
I'm sure you'll understand that any suggestion of Eddie alerting to sex tissues in the 5A is groundless.

It's no more groundless than asserting that he was necessarily reacting to a cadaver.

« Last Edit: March 08, 2014, 08:30:29 PM by Carana »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 09:07:46 AM »
There is evidence though not legally admissible evidence.

according to grime the alerts have no evidential value

Offline Carana

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 02:14:44 PM »
I'm sure you'll understand that any suggestion of Eddie alerting to sex tissues in the 5A is groundless.

From Grime's statements, Eddie could smell airborne scents within his training parameters. However, he stated that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood.

The occupants prior to the inspection had left a week before and was presumably locked up since then.

Could shoes, socks, a band-aid, or whatever, with a trace of blood on them have been left around by the previous occupants and a cleaner had removed the item prior to the actual inspection? Were those occupants ever interviewed? When did a cleaner last enter that apartment?

What would be incompatible with the dogs' reactions?




Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 02:22:30 PM »
There is evidence though not legally admissible evidence.

But if there is 'evidence', as you put it, that she died in 5A, then why have SY stated categorically that she may be alive?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 03:15:46 PM »
From Grime's statements, Eddie could smell airborne scents within his training parameters. However, he stated that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood.

The occupants prior to the inspection had left a week before and was presumably locked up since then.

Could shoes, socks, a band-aid, or whatever, with a trace of blood on them have been left around by the previous occupants and a cleaner had removed the item prior to the actual inspection? Were those occupants ever interviewed? When did a cleaner last enter that apartment?

What would be incompatible with the dogs' reactions?

Very important question that ( and the others, Carana),  and I am surprised it has not received more attention over the years.




Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 04:12:19 PM »
From Grime's statements, Eddie could smell airborne scents within his training parameters. However, he stated that Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood.

The occupants prior to the inspection had left a week before and was presumably locked up since then.

Could shoes, socks, a band-aid, or whatever, with a trace of blood on them have been left around by the previous occupants and a cleaner had removed the item prior to the actual inspection? Were those occupants ever interviewed? When did a cleaner last enter that apartment?

What would be incompatible with the dogs' reactions?

previous renter Mr Gordon who cut himself shaving and bled
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post3012.html#p3012
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 04:36:14 PM »
Thanks Anna



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post3012.html#p3012

From the  Statement of Saleigh Gordon.



During our stay Paul cut his face whilst shaving and the cut bled for some time . Neither the children nor I injured ourselves and as far as I know nobody died in the apartment. We never noticed that any of our personal objects disappeared or were lost. Nothing strange or worrying to note, just on one occasion I heard Paul speaking to an individual on the patio that looked over the complex’s swimming pool. I can’t say who he was talking to or what they were talking about. I was inside the apartment washing some of the children’s clothes in the kitchen that faced out onto the road. I did not see anyone pass in front of the window or knock on the door.


Offline Carana

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2014, 04:39:09 PM »
previous renter Mr Gordon who cut himself shaving and bled
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post3012.html#p3012
Yes, thanks, Anna. I was wondering about the occupants nearer the time of the inspection (i.e., after the disappearance) in particular.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2014, 05:12:40 PM »
The following is a statement from Paul Anthony Gordon, who stayed in apartment 5A with his family in April 2007 directly prior to its occupancy by the McCanns.

He also notes that he cut himself whilst shaving resulting in bleeding for 45 minutes.

He notes how he has been pursued by the press and others for information regarding the charity collector - bogus or otherwise - who visited the apartment asking him for money for an orphanage:


CARTAS ROGATORIAS (FILE 5)

Pages 36 to 38—Witness statement of Paul Anthony Gordon

Date 2008.04.24

Summarised translation:


Leicestershire Police Force
Witness Account
Statement by Paul Anthony Gordon
Occupation: Accountant

Date : 24th April 2008

I am married to Saleigh and we have two children, C...... aged three and J..... aged two.

We stayed in the same apartment that the McCanns would later stay in, apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club. We travelled to Faro on 21st April 2007.

On Wednesday the children were asleep in the apartment and Sal was reading inside. I was in the garden when I heard a male voice say “Ola”. I got up and went towards the man who asked me whether I was interested in making a donation to an orphanage. I talked to him and notice he had an ID label and what seemed to be a book of receipts. I thought he was either genuine or that it was a professional scam. I gave him 10 Euros and I think he gave me a receipt. At no time was he aggressive or persistent. I think he was genuine and it seemed to be a good cause.

There were no other incidents whilst we were in Portugal except that I cut myself whilst shaving in the bathroom. The cut bled for about 45 minutes. As far as I know, nobody else cut themselves in the apartment.

We felt safe in the apartment and were not robbed, neither did anything disappear. The doors, windows and shutters were in perfect working order. There was never any sign that that the doors, windows or shutters had been tampered with, but neither was there any need to check. The front door had a double lock that was difficult to lock, but we managed. The patio door could not be locked from the outside, only from the inside of the apartment and that is why we chose to use the front door when we left the apartment.

We used to open the shutters during the day and would close them again at night. The shutters made a lot of noise when we closed them. They have an internal cord as mechanism for opening and closing them.


We would generally have breakfast in the Millenium restaurant, we only dined at the Tapas Bar on two occasions. I remember there was a limit to how many times we could eat at the Tapas Bar.

I would like to add that since January of this year I have received numerous phone calls, messages and visits from the press with relation to the man collecting donations, which led to contact with other persons such as Brian Kennedy, Kate and Gerry McCann. I feel this to be constricting and it is difficult for me to make a more certain decision.

I have always tried to collaborate with the police in every possible form, telephoning them at the first opportunity when the news broke about Madeleine’s disappearance. There have been times when I have felt like a pawn in a chess game.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2014, 05:17:30 PM »
Can information held by this 'witness', or that of any of the guests who stayed in apartment 5A subsequent to the visit by family MaCann, help us in the investigation, either with regard to:

'Suspects' - such as the charity collector

Forensic investigations for blood or other human matter ?
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 06:03:27 PM by Sherlock Holmes »

Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2014, 05:24:27 PM »
I doubt he sat in the bathroom for 45 mins, so it could account for the blood on the tile grout. and if he dropped the towel down the back of the sofa accidentally= dried blood
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2014, 05:31:02 PM »
Yes, thanks, Anna. I was wondering about the occupants nearer the time of the inspection (i.e., after the disappearance) in particular.

I don't believe it was relet
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato