The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[AnneGuedes]

Tamsin's grandparent did not live in 5a, he lived in the apartment next door.  Late now and just home from south so will dig out the info tomorrow.

Serendipity, be careful !

[Sherlock Holmes]

The OC weren't very good were they?  Tasmin's granddad lived there and he died albeit in hospital.  It is very possible some of his belongings, contaminated with cadaverine, were brought back from the hospital and stored in apartment 5a.  I bet this has never been checked out!

One would assume that something like this comes under the 'drawing everything back to zero' idea.

If we are asking questions like this based upon the files, SY must surely be doing exactly the same. They must have read and contemplated them many times over.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Tamsin's grandparent did not live in 5a, he lived in the apartment next door.  Late now and just home from south so will dig out the info tomorrow.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3141.0

She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there, with her Grandmother and her Mother. The apartment was bought in 1994 and sold in 2002 and therefore she knows it perfectly, both from the inside and from the outside.

(This is what Tamsin says.. only mentions grandmother, apparently.. will look out for your info tomorrow, Serendipity).

[sadie]

NOT doing anything ?  Maybe nothing criminal, BUT ...

Standing leaning against 5A garden wall staring in .... and on another occasion so absorbed in staring that he didn't even notice Tasmin and two dogs walk past him ?  Not doing anything?

Come on Lyall, you are in danger of losing your credibility

Not doing anything at all except staring intently at 5A ... and on the one occasion actually leaning against the garden wall to peer over.


FGS Stop spinning Anne.

It does your credibility no good.

[Serendipity]

She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there, with her Grandmother and her Mother. The apartment was bought in 1994 and sold in 2002 and therefore she knows it perfectly, both from the inside and from the outside.

(This is what Tamsin says.. only mentions grandmother, apparently.. will look out for your info tomorrow, Serendipity).

Decided to dig it out before bed.  This info comes from one of the McCann's own powerpoint presentations.  Tamsin was incorrect and it was the apartment next door.  This was confirmed by Brian Kennedy when he spoke to one of her grandparent's friends, an Alfred Schuurmans on the 13th January 2008. Scroll down to find Alfred Schuurmans in the presentation in the link below.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

[sadie]

Decided to dig it out before bed.  This info comes from one of the McCann's own powerpoint presentations.  Tamsin was incorrect and it was the apartment next door.  This was confirmed by Brian Kennedy when he spoke to one of her grandparent's friends, an Alfred Schuurmans on the 13th January 2008. Scroll down to find Alfred Schuurmans in presentation in the link below.

Oh sure Tasmin didn't even know the flat where she lived.

Pull the other one, it has bells on it

[Sherlock Holmes]

Decided to dig it out before bed.  This info comes from one of the McCann's own powerpoint presentations.  Tamsin was incorrect and it was the apartment next door.  This was confirmed by Brian Kennedy when he spoke to one of her grandparent's friends, an Alfred Schuurmans on the 13th January 2008. Scroll down to find Alfred Schuurmans in the presentation in the link below.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

Thank you for this 'homework', Serendipity. Your memory is good too!

Here is the text to which I think you are referring:

Alfred Shuurmans

Alfred is the head of the Roscoe Foundation. This is a charity which raises funds for orphanages, and was created for his son who died tragically in a motorbike accident.

Brian Kennedy spoke to him on Sunday 13th January 2008 and Alfred confirmed:

 - There are no orphanages in Espiche or in surrounding areas

 - No collections are made, as this is illegal in Portugal

Alfred also confirmed that his friend had owned the apartment next to 5A at the Mark Warner resort. At the end of April 2007 his 12 year old daughter had spotted on several occasions ' a strange man lurking around the apartments'.

Towards the end of May 2007 she was interviewed, with her father present, by the Portuguese police. A witness statement is to be taken.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Reading this statement carefully it is from a friend of the apartment owner.

I would suggest that Tamsin's report is probably much more reliable as she lived in the apartment for a period of time, and walked past it regularly on her way home from school, so is unlikely to have got it mixed up.

In addition, she and the information has been used in a reconstruction, the purpose of which is to clarify details, so presumably this all will have been checked out.

[Sherlock Holmes]

What, however, do we make of the report that there are no orphanages in the area?

Does that not contradict the claim made by witness Paul Gordon (see page 1 of this thread) in which he gives an account of a charity collector coming to 5A?

[Sherlock Holmes]

In Madeleine Was Here

From 4: 09 or thereabouts, Tamsin reads her statement.

''My grandparents used to live in that apartment''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

[pegasus]

What, however, do we make of the report that there are no orphanages in the area?

There is an orpanage called Lagos Childrens Home.
Also the Rosco Foundation which organises activities for orphans.
And the Sunshine Golf Orphanage Trust.

[Sherlock Holmes]

There is an orpanage called Lagos Childrens Home.
Also the Rosco Foundation which organises activities for orphans.

Yes, so we need to check the context in which this statement regarding the conversation with Brian Kennedy is made. On the one hand we learn of the orphanage and at the same time we are told that there are no orphanages (in Espiche, at least).

So what is the significance of Espiche specifically, I wonder?

Regarding the orphanage in Lagos, thank you for that information. Would that have been in existence in 2007/

We learn of course from the statement that making collections is illegal in Portugal. Perhaps one of our Portuguese residents or friends can confirm this?

If it is indeed illegal, then perhaps the charity collector was bogus - as Scotland Yard appear to suspect.

[pegasus]

Re the Cooper statement:
I can prove easily that the charity collector is genuine and was telling the witness the 100% true story of exactly why the orphanage charity was founded, and the witness (because unable to clearly understand the collector's english) has unintentionally given a very garbled account of what the collector actually said.
BTW actually it was one young person who died (not the whole family) and it was 3 years before (not 3 days),
It would have been fairer if uk police and forum peeps alike had done some basic research before doubting a 100% genuine charity.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Re the Cooper statement:
I can prove easily that the charity collector is genuine and was telling the witness the 100% true story of exactly why the orphanage charity was founded, and the witness (because unable to clearly understand the collector's english) has unintentionally given a very garbled account of what the collector actually said.
BTW actually it was one young person who died (not the whole family) and it was 3 years before (not 3 days),
It would have been fairer if uk police and forum peeps alike had done some basic research before doubting a 100% genuine charity.

Is this a quote from the Cooper statement, pegasus? I can't quite follow the meaning...

[stephen25000]

The OC weren't very good were they?  Tasmin's granddad lived there and he died albeit in hospital.  It is very possible some of his belongings, contaminated with cadaverine, were brought back from the hospital and stored in apartment 5a.  I bet this has never been checked out!

Wishful thinking on that one..

Rather like kate mccanns claim to have 'seen' 6 bodies before PDL and that claim was checked out and summarily dropped. Now that was ridiculous in itself.

I've heard some in my time to explain away scents, but this takes the biscuit, since it would never explain the odours detected in the varios places.

It is no more and no less another attempt by people like sadie to clutch at straws.