The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[AnneGuedes]

how could they possibly argue that the death of Madeleine did not occur in the apartment?

They didn't argue, as parents they knew better, no alternative, no debate, doxa.

[pegasus]

If the scent doesn't last long how can we understand the "alert" in the flower bed

Over 3 months wind rain etc would naturally diminish the outdoor strength?

[Mr Gray]

Over 3 months wind rain etc would naturally diminish the outdoor strength?

From what I have read the scent would not last outside so this would have to be a false alert

[slartibartfast]

My opinion is the latter one.  If you read what I posted this morning it was a comparison based on what we are told of Eddie's abilities.  I simply stated that there is as much reason to believe a connection with the deceased grandfather as there is to the claim that Madeleine died in the apartment.  I added that at least in the former there was a body.

In my afternoon post I pointed out that we can but speculate since the facts surrounding the property occupation are unclear.  I also reiterated the point made by Anne that cadaver scent fades over time so a connection going back several years is tenuous at best.

Hope you're winning at Candy Crush!

Unless there is some reason to believe that the Grandfather died in his own clothes and that the family wanted those clothes kept and that they were kept in 5a then I think there is a lot less reason to suspect dead Grandfather than dead Maddie.

P.S. If anyone has information as to cause of death, that may impact the probabilities.

Oh well, time for a double-backward somersault through a hoop while whistling the "Star Spangled Banner".

[AnneGuedes]

Over 3 months wind rain etc would naturally diminish the outdoor strength?

Are you dreaming ?

[Silkywhiskers]

Extract from PJ's final 57-page report
 
On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id239.html

I thought this deserved reposting.

[Anna]

Are you dreaming ?

Do you believe the scent would have survived Anne?

[pathfinder73]

"In that contact the undersigned were told that they should  [OCR error: missing word taken to be "proceder": to proceed] proceed with the recovery of the floor tiles indicated by the dog specialised in the detection of human blood, with the recovery of hair in the corridor  [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm
 

[pegasus]

@Anna
"At the end of April 2007 his (Alfred's) 12 year old daughter had spotted ...."

[Anna]

@Anna
"At the end of April 2007 his (Alfred's) 12 year old daughter had spotted ...."

Thank you Pegasis ,
    I didn't completely understand it then, but he mentioned a friend which I assumed to be Tamsins Dad.
If you are correct as I am sure you are, I can find no statement from his daughter

                         

[sadie]

Oh yea sadie but rings dont have leather on them and I doubt a dead or alive persons watches and rings  were scraped over the verandah, flower bed, behind th sofa, cuddle cat,over clothes, [... abusive removed ...]

>>>>

As charming as ever, I see, Red.

No rings do not have leather on them but they often have body gunk behind them and if forced off skin cells attached to them,


 

[sadie]

Why go straight forward when you can go meandering ?

Yep, why do you meander?

[sadie]

If the scent doesn't last long how can we understand the "alert" in the flower bed

Sometimes we have been told that the scent lasts years and sometimes we are told it doesn't last long.

Seems it is altered to suit the argument.  Why would that be ?

[pegasus]

"In that contact the undersigned were told that they should  [OCR error: missing word taken to be "proceder": to proceed] proceed with the recovery of the floor tiles indicated by the dog specialised in the detection of human blood, with the recovery of hair in the corridor  [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm

In the dog video, late at night in darkness, just after the flowerbed alert and the balcony alert, the handler on video says they will return to examine this location in the morning when it is light. IMO what the PJ/UK team did on their return that next morning was request taking by forensic officers of samples of climbing plant branches, and samples of fibres from the wall where the climbing palnt is (some pink IIRC?).

[pathfinder73]

In the dog video, late at night in darkness, just after the flowerbed alert and the balcony alert, the handler on video says they will return to examine this location in the morning when it is light. IMO what the PJ/UK team did on their return that next morning was request taking by forensic officers of samples of climbing plant branches, and samples of fibres from the wall where the climbing palnt is (some pink IIRC?).

Yes I had the same questions. I will have a look and see what else I can find about the garden evidence. I would think that the body had been in the flower bed for the scent to be there. The possible fibres from pyjamas on the wall is interesting? These garden alerts are a very interesting part for me and needs working on.