The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[gilet]

Why are you assuming they were  not  contacted/interviewed   ?

Where have you read that I am assuming any such thing?

Not in my posts, you haven't unless, of course, you have misread them.

I simply made the point that if they were not interviewed it would be an appalling failure on the part of the PJ.

The question arises because there is no record of any interview of those people.  That in itself could suggest that those people may well not have been interviewed, though it would not be proof of that fact.

[Anna]

I haven't followed the whole of this thread... but concerning the title:


Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

Some of the occupants who'd occupied the apartment prior to the disappearance were interviewed, although not all, and I'm not aware that any of the post-disappearance ones were officially interviewed as part of the PJ process.

I still cant find anything on the occupants of 5A after the disappearance and the McCanns left.
Do you know if there is a thread regarding Missing statements and information.
I looked but maybe missed it

[Sherlock Holmes]

I still cant find anything on the occupants of 5A after the disappearance and the McCanns left.
Do you know if there is a thread regarding Missing statements and information.
I looked but maybe missed it

No such thread to my knowledge, either, Anna - but a good point.

Suspect a thread about the holes in this case would be a long one!

It does seem very significant that the movements of occupants post-McCann do not appear to have been documented formally, even though there must be plenty information available from Mark Warner and other sources.

[Anna]

No such thread to my knowledge, either, Anna - but a good point.

Suspect a thread about the holes in this case would be a long one!

It does seem very significant that the movements of occupants post-McCann do not appear to have been documented formally, even though there must be plenty information available from Mark Warner and other sources.

I have noticed a few missing statements and some reports with missing info, cant remember all right now, but people might be able to help each other, locate the information all on one thread.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I have noticed a few missing statements and some reports with missing info, cant remember all right now, but people might be able to help each other, locate the information all on one thread.

Interesting idea, Anna. You mean just as a reference thread, or for discussion?

[Anna]

Interesting idea, Anna. You mean just as a reference thread, or for discussion?

Not sure about that. I suppose the reference would be swamped with discussion, but if there is a query it needs to be discussed.

[pegasus]

... We have no idea who or what stayed in 5A or what may have occurred in 5A after the departure of the McCanns? ...

The original PJ/LP investigation interviewed every family that stayed in apartment 5A between 4th May and 31st July 2007.

[Anna]

The original PJ/LP investigation interviewed every family that stayed in apartment 5A between 4th May and 31st July 2007.

Where did you find that Pegasus? and where are the statements?

[pathfinder73]

- Apartment 5A was subsequently let between 12 and 19 June (to friends of the owner); 28 June to 12 July (to three people with Irish names); 12 to 19 July (to an English couple) and 19 to 26 July (to a family with Southern Asian names).

3. In relation to the McCanns stay at the OC, the following was checked: Date of occupation of apartment 5 A 28-04-2007 and the departure date was registered on 05-05-2007, being certain that from 04 - 05 they did not stay in the apartment. They entered apartment 4G on 04-05-2007 and left on 03-07-2007.

 - After the disappearance apartment 5 A was occupied by the following individuals: 12-06-2007 - 19-06-2007 by R and F. F****** (friends of the owners), from 28-06-2007 - 12-07-2007 by SR, W & CF, 12-07-2007 to 19-07-2007 by BSP and JFP, 19-07-2007 - 26-07-07 by MMS family.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm

"The apartment 5A, was registered at a certain time to 4 people. In 2006 after the death of Michael William McCann, Ruth Margaret McCann become the sole owner."

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/ruth-mccann-paid-e40000-for-photos-of-5a/

[Carana]

Thank you Carana, We still have no statements from the other guests in 5A yet. The cadaver if it was cadaver scent got there somehow, or the doggie was wrong this time.

There are a few in the files from occupants in the two-month or so period prior to the disappearance (not all), and none that I have found from the post-disappearance ones. I presume that the Met have since contacted them as part of their review.

A previous occupant could have cut a foot walking on rocks and left sandals or a bandaid lying around which might have only been picked up by the cleaning lady when they left prior to locking up the place. Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood, but Grime doesn't say that of Eddie. Unless innocent explanations are ruled out (which wasn't Grime's job), it seems somewhat simplistic to simply assume that Eddie's reaction was necessarily to someone who'd died and therefore it had to be the missing little girl.

[Anna]

There are a few in the files from occupants in the two-month or so period prior to the disappearance (not all), and none that I have found from the post-disappearance ones. I presume that the Met have since contacted them as part of their review.

A previous occupant could have cut a foot walking on rocks and left sandals or a bandaid lying around which might have only been picked up by the cleaning lady when they left prior to locking up the place. Keela only reacts to the physical presence of blood, but Grime doesn't say that of Eddie. Unless innocent explanations are ruled out (which wasn't Grime's job), it seems somewhat simplistic to simply assume that Eddie's reaction was necessarily to someone who'd died and therefore it had to be the missing little girl.

I think the former occupants statements are on here. Blood can be found in most homes, but not Cadaver. On saying that the house I am in now had a lady die in it, but we had it gutted and practically rebuilt. There again anyone working in the medical profession who used the flat, after the McCanns would be worth knowing about.

[Anna]

It seems there is not a record of DNA from residents in 5A after the McCanns and before dog inspection.
  This report shows only the men before Mccanns being checked for DNA re_ Semen on blanket. This DNA checked out with a 2 year old. so not semen

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic10-10.html

[gilet]

The original PJ/LP investigation interviewed every family that stayed in apartment 5A between 4th May and 31st July 2007.

A source for that would be very useful, also a link to the statements made by those people.

I don't believe any such statement about such interviews exists in the Pamalam PJ Files  and I don't believe such statements are in the Pamalam PJ Files either but am prepared to be corrected on both matters.

[Anna]

Nope! Nothing at all on guests who stayed between 5th may to 31st July.
Request from PJ to LP They are the 6 people PJ wanted DNA profile checked with specimens sent to Birmingham. All resident before McCanns.

VII - Interview to the adult users of the apartment (G5A) from which MADELEINE MCCANN went missing, who stayed there before 28th April (the date on which the MCCANNs arrived there). They should be subject to a buccal swab and hair sample collection (only the below UNDERLINED individuals :

* The FAWKES family, namely SIMON ANDREW , CLAIRE LOUISE AND daughter RUXX ELXXXXXXX, 62 EvXXXXXX LaXX, WOXXXXXXX, BEXXXXXXX, RGXX 4XX, UK.

* CARLOS DAMBROSIO and JUNE HUGHES, 53x MoXXXXXX DRXXX, Glasgow, GXX 1XX, UK.

* The GORDON family, namely PAUL ANTHONY, SALEIGH LOUISE and two children - CHXXXXX HAXXXXXX and JAXXXXX ISXXXX - 2 DaXXXXXXX, WIXXXXX, Hants, PXXX 6XX, UK.

The aforementioned persons should be asked the following questions :

* Did any incident happen during your stay at the apartment, i.e. was anyone injured or did anyone die ?

* Did you ever suffer theft or did any of your belongings disappear from the apartment ?

* Did you ever detect the presence of anyone strange inside or around your apartment ?

* Did the windows, as well as the doors and shutters close well ? Did you at any time detect whether any of these accesses to your apartment had been broken in ?

* How did you usually go into your apartment ?

* Was the sofa in the living-room - on the right side after entering through the patio door - leaning against the wall or a little away from it ? If it was away from the wall, how far ?

* Do you have any children ? Did you take them to Portugal with you ? Where did you and your children sleep ?

* Where did you usually take your meals, i.e. breakfast, lunch and dinner ?

* Did you ever leave your children alone ?

* Did you use the "Kids Club" service ?


* Did you detect anything worth mentioning during your stay ?

* Any further questions deemed useful, necessary or pertinent in view of the previous replies.

topic471.html
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post2863.html#p2863

[Carana]

I still cant find anything on the occupants of 5A after the disappearance and the McCanns left.
Do you know if there is a thread regarding Missing statements and information.
I looked but maybe missed it

If they had been interviewed, they'd have been on the rog list, I would have thought.