The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[Carew]

Just a very quick whizz in and out in those apartments IIRC, but a prolonged stay in 5A.... little doubt with frequent prompts

Just like the cars.  Almost all the time was spent calling the dog back to the Mccanns car and tapping bits.

Apparently, the dog`s behaviour changed early on with regard to 5A.

From Mr Grime`s report........ http://www.mccannfiles.com/

"My observation of the dog's behaviour in this instance was that the dog's behaviour changed immediately upon opening the front door to the apartment."

[sadie]

Apparently, the dog`s behaviour changed early on with regard to 5A.

From Mr Grime`s report........ http://www.mccannfiles.com/

"My observation of the dog's behaviour in this instance was that the dog's behaviour changed immediately upon opening the front door to the apartment."

Funny that SY think nothing of that , doncha think?

[Sherlock Holmes]

There were 4 families who occupied the apartment between the time that the PJ had given the key back after the disappearance and the dog inspection.

- At the Ocean Club, apartment 5A had been booked for the nights of 28 April through 4 May (vacating on 5th); the family stayed in apartment 4G from 4 May through 2 July (vacating on 3rd)
- Apartment 5A was subsequently let between 12 and 19 June (to friends of the owner); 28 June to 12 July (to three people with Irish names); 12 to 19 July (to an English couple) and 19 to 26 July (to a family with Southern Asian names).

Were any of these occupants interviewed?

One would assume that SY will have managed to be in contact with the family who are friends of the owner (McCann!) in Liverpool.

Surely information from these visitors  - positive or negative  -  could be extremely important in addressing some of the forensic questions we have.

[Carew]

Funny that SY think nothing of that , doncha think?

I`m just adding to the topic with a pertinent point from Mr Grime`s report..........

We don`t really know what SY will conclude eventually.

[Carew]

Did you notice the continual calling back of the dog when Grime was checking the cars ?   Or did you miss it?

Mr Grime`s deployment of the dogs is raised every time a doggie thread crops up, rendering the thread pointless.

[sadie]

Mr Grime`s deployment of the dogs is raised every time a doggie thread crops up, rendering the thread pointless.

Well it is true init?

What is wrong with telling any new readers?

[Lyall]

Did you notice the continual calling back of the dog when Grime was checking the cars ?   Or did you miss it?

This is amateur gossip Sadie.

How long would it have taken the American police to find those videos? About five minutes, and obviously they think his work was nothing other than professional. So should you.

[Carew]

Well it is true init?

What is wrong with telling any new readers?

It could be misinformation on your part, because there has been no official enquiry or report regarding this issue.

All you appear to be doing is forcing your view, which is of no more value than anyone elses.

I`ll leave you to it.

[sadie]

This is amateur gossip Sadie.

How long would it have taken the American police to find those videos? About five minutes, and obviously they think his work was nothing other than professional. So should you.

I have never said anything to the contrary.  I have just commented about the time taken to keep calling the dog back to the Mccann car.

Maybe had it been called back to another car, then it would have marked there too.

Maybe Grime was stopped after the dog marked at The Mccann car.   and perhaps he would have spent time checking over and over the other cars if he hadn't been stopped ?

We just dont know


But like it or not, the dog was repeatedly called back to the Mccann car and not to the others.  It is there for all to see on the longer video.  It is a fact

And what is wrong with mentioning facts ?

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[Lyall]

I have never said anything to the contrary.  I have just commented about the time taken to keep calling the dog back to the Mccann car.

Maybe had it been called back to another car, then it would have marked there too.

Maybe Grime was stopped after the dog marked at The Mccann car.   and perhaps he would have spent time checking over and over the other cars if he hadn't been stopped ?

We just dont know


But like it or not, the dog was repeatedly called back to the Mccann car and not to the others.  It is there for all to see on the longer video.  It is a fact

And what is wrong with mentioning facts ?

Because that's not what you're doing; you (and some of the others) are saying he was prompting his dogs.

Clearly experts in the USA do not agree with you or Mr Grime would not have worked there since PdL. They're certain to have seen those videos: this case is one of the most well known in the world.

[icabodcrane]

 

Surely information from these visitors  - positive or negative  -  could be extremely important in addressing some of the forensic questions we have.

I don't see how  ...  unless one of them died there

That would be the  only relevant information that would address the question of the cadaver dog alerting where the blood dog did not

Or can you think of something else these other guests of 5A  did to cause a cadavor dog to bark in the bedroom where there was no scent of blood  (  if there had,    the blood dog would have alerted there too  ) 

What  'extremely important'  information might these guests have that would address that question  ?   

[Sherlock Holmes]

Do you think these friends of the owner were put in as caretakers, since Media and all sorts were trying to get in to the Apt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026531/Madeleine-McCann-flat-market-couple-young-child-holiday-there.html

We now also know that the front door had a difficult double lock and the patio door only locked from the inside

Back on track, Anna, it does look like the friends could have been caretakers.

I find it interesting that any holidaying family would want to stay in that apartment so close to the time that Madeleine vanished. It was high season by the time these families arrived and presumably the resort was booked to capacity. Can't imagine someone picking that apartment out.

And yes this is a reminder about the door situation. The front door did indeed have a difficult lock and an unusual key. I had forgotten that the patio doors only locked from the inside, but this helps explain the regular use of the front door despite it being significantly further away.

[Anna]

Maybe partially, but mainly to make money, I think.  But I dont KNOW.

The front door not only had a double lock, but it was completely out of sight from almost all directions.  It was deeply recessed and virtually pitch black there.  No one passed by.

Would you rent your holiday home to a family whilst all that was going on?..........I wouldn't! But making money can be uppermost for some. I don't suppose any compensation was offered to this owner either. 
I know the front door was in a hidden dark area and I believe the child would have been taken out that way. A neighbours brother and girlfriend saw a small silver car parked outside when they were going home around 9.30
 Mr Gordon also said that the shutters were very noisy, so it would be silly to use the window IMO

[Sherlock Holmes]

We now also know that the front door had a difficult double lock and the patio door only locked from the inside

Patio door could only be locked from the inside  - and not accessed from outside if locked. Is this right?

That means that anyone wanting to enter the apartment illegally would be likely to attempt to do so via the front door.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't see how  ...  unless one of them died there

That would be the  only relevant information that would address the question of the cadaver dog alerting where the blood dog did not

Or can you think of something else these other guests of 5A  did to cause a cadavor dog to bark in the bedroom where there was no scent of blood  (  if there had,    the blood dog would have alerted there too  ) 

What  'extremely important'  information might these guests have that would address that question  ?

I will return to the question of the visitors themselves shortly, icabod. Would like to try to find out a little more about them.

Generally speaking, it is possible that someone died in that apartment at some point, isn't it?