The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[Wonderfulspam]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

'She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there'

It was her father not her mother who was present at her interview.

Call Op Grange and ask the question re 5a or next door to 5a. :)

BTW the man she saw lurking about was identified as Michael Anthony Green

Extract from PJ's final 57-page report
 
On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id239.html

[Serendipity]

So SY have this amazing relationship with you?  They talk to you and give you info?


WOW ! 

They are intererested in anything and I mean anything that can help find out what happened to little Madeleine McCann so are more than happy to discuss scenarios.  In this case a question over whether what the dog alerted to could have been related to the death of the Sillence grandfather and would there be any value in them investigating such a scenario further.  Op Grange said no as it had been verified that it was the flat next door where the grandfather lived and not 5a.

Give them a bell yourself and ask the same question :)

[Carew]

I find it quite remarkable how quickly some are to poo poo genuine facts in preference to hearsay comments and half truths.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin mixed up the apartments.  Apartment 5a is unique in that it is the end apartment with its own private entrance right onto the main road.  I have no doubt Tasmin knew what she was talking about, she lived there.  Tasmin was a superb witness and for that reason it was expected that attempts would be made to discredit her.  That's how the myth creators work.

As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment. At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.

Was his remains brought back to the apartment and waked?

Perhaps you could ascertain "for sure" that the clothing in which he lay dead in a hospital bed was for a long enough time for cadaverine to form in the first place ...........and that his family kept those same garments, transferring them to the wardrobe and/or enabling them to contaminate sites in and around the apartment?

If you are keen to promote this speculation, it is at least proveable by acquiring information to back it up.

[Serendipity]

Extract from PJ's final 57-page report
 
On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id239.html

That's the one, thank you :)

[Mr Moderator]

They are intererested in anything and I mean anything that can help find out what happened to little Madeleine McCann so are more than happy to discuss scenarios.  In this case a question over whether what the dog alerted to could have been related to the death of the Sillence grandfather and would there be any value in them investigating such a scenario further.  Op Grange said no as it had been verified that it was the flat next door where the grandfather lived and not 5a.

Give them a bell yourself and ask the same question :)

You seem to be hell bent in muddying the waters Serendipity.  Tasmin stated that she stayed in apartment 5a with his mother and grandmother.  Nothing you report changes that statement.

It also appears that LC has wiped the files of all information relating to Mr Green for reasons best known to them.  We can but imagine however whose best interests have been served by the hidden files.

[Serendipity]

You seem to be hell bent in muddying the waters Serendipity.  Tasmin stated that she stayed in apartment 5a with his mother and grandmother.  Nothing you report changes that statement.

How is posting facts from the files regarding Alfred Schuurmans confirming via Brian Kennedy that it was the flat next door to 5a that the Sillance grandfather lived and not 5a be construed as muddying the waters? 

Relaying a conversation with SY which backs this up for my own mind is not muddying the waters either, it is clarifying that there is a very good chance that little Tamsin was confused.

Like I said, you can clear this up once and for all by calling SY yourself.

[Mr Moderator]

I haven't mentioned the grandfather living in 5a.  Have you cottoned on yet?

Read my words.   Tasmin stayed in 5a with her mum and grandmother.

[Lace]

Perhaps you could ascertain "for sure" that the clothing in which he lay dead in a hospital bed was for a long enough time for cadaverine to form in the first place ...........and that his family kept those same garments, transferring them to the wardrobe and/or enabling them to contaminate sites in and around the apartment?

If you are keen to promote this speculation, it is at least proveable by acquiring information to back it up.

Now that is an interesting point you make Carew  Quote -   'perhaps you could ascertain 'for sure' that the clothing in which he lay dead in a hospital bed was for a long enough time for cadaverine to form in the first place' unquote.

If as you say there needs to be a length of time for cadavarine to form,    how long would Madeleine have had to be kept in the apartment for Cadavarine to form on the floor of the bedroom,  also on Cuddle Cat?

According to Mr. Grime it is evident straight away after death.

[Cariad]

I haven't mentioned the grandfather living in 5a.  Have you cottoned on yet?

Read my words.   Tasmin stayed in 5a with her mum and grandmother.

So you're saying that although they owned the flat next door, they stayed in 5A?

I've just spent ages trying to find the Portuguese equivalent of the land registry to try and clear this up, but if you're implying that ownership is irrelevant anyway, I'm just wasting my time.

 

[Angelo222]

Does anyone recall if Mr Grime ever claimed that Eddie alerted to human remains in the form of ashes or is it a case I suspect that cadaverine is destroyed in a crematorium furnace?

[Mr Moderator]

So you're saying that although they owned the flat next door, they stayed in 5A?

I've just spent ages trying to find the Portuguese equivalent of the land registry to try and clear this up, but if you're implying that ownership is irrelevant anyway, I'm just wasting my time.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin would not have discussed staying in that apartment with her family before making that statement.  The statement would also have been seen by her parent(s) immediately she made it.  The fact that the statement is not followed by a further statement or an additional statement by her mother evidences its validity.

That said, it is very normal in circumstances where someone owns or leases a holiday apartment that the apartment next door is rented by family and especially during the off season.

It would be beneficial to know the historical ownership of 5a and 5b certainly Cariad.

[sadie]

Now that is an interesting point you make Carew  Quote -   'perhaps you could ascertain 'for sure' that the clothing in which he lay dead in a hospital bed was for a long enough time for cadaverine to form in the first place' unquote.

If as you say there needs to be a length of time for cadavarine to form,    how long would Madeleine have had to be kept in the apartment for Cadavarine to form on the floor of the bedroom,  also on Cuddle Cat?

According to Mr. Grime it is evident straight away after death.

Interesting point Lace 

[Serendipity]

It is inconceivable that Tasmin would not have discussed staying in that apartment with her family before making that statement.  The statement would also have been seen by her parent(s) immediately she made it.  The fact that the statement is not followed by a further statement or an additional statement by her mother evidences its validity.

That said, it is very normal in circumstances where someone owns or leases a holiday apartment that the apartment next door is rented by family and especially during the off season.

It would be beneficial to know the historical ownership of 5a and 5b certainly Cariad.

Her father who was separated from her mother was with her at her interviews.  Dad may never have visited the apartments so may not have known whether what Tamsin was saying about 5a was true or not so may have felt no need to interject/qualify.

Why did Brian Kennedy feel it necessary to get confirmation from Alfred Schuurmans regarding where the grandfather lived in January 2008 as referenced in Gerry McCann's powerpoint presentation if it is as clear as you are suggesting as to who lived in 5a/5b?

[AnneGuedes]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

'She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there'

It was her father not her mother who was present at her interview.

Call Op Grange and ask the question re 5a or next door to 5a. :)

BTW the man she saw lurking about was identified as Michael Anthony Green

When somebody buys a rather expensive flat (Mrs McCann here), they never leave it as it was, just painting the walls, a fortiori if they bought it for renting. They'll make a lot of money if and only if everything has to be or look brand new.
It's easy to check the history of a flat in Portugal (as in the UK) and get a list of the successive owners.
 

[Angelo222]

There she goes again.  How many times Serendipity, Tasmin stayed in 5a along with mum and gran.  Even her dad would know that when she said so to the detectives who interviewed her.