Sheila's fingerprints were not on any bullets

[puglove]

ok, i am new here and no idea what the blue forum is or who Mile is. As for biological impossibilities, it is possible to be shot in the throat  (either by yourself or another person) and survive...whether one would be up for running and jumping I cannot say, but many people have survived gunshot wounds to their throats. The internet is full of such stories.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/unarmed-man-is-shot-in-throat-as-police-swoop-on-raid-gang-6546850.html
http://www.macon.com/2010/06/27/1177063/teen-girl-shot-in-throat-in-south.html
and on and on and on

Not this story barry. She was shot in the side of the neck. The bullet shattered the fourth vertebrae in her spinal column close to her neck and took out part of her carotid artery. You dont get up from a shot like that no matter what.

Actually, if you look at that first shot, it doesn't work. If Sheila intended that shot to be effective, she wouldn't have done it to the side of her neck. She would have put the gun under her chin, or in her mouth. Why shoot herself to the side of her throat?

Shona - aren't you countering your own argument here? You suggested earlier that the Bamber supporters believe Sheila could shoot herself in the kitchen and then run upstairs and spring into bed, something you seem to find incredible/unbelievable. Here you now seem to be suggesting it is perfectly possible to be ineffective at shooting yourself, thus surely rendering yourself capable of running upstairs and sprining into bed.

Not really. The first wound was a massive insult, if you like. It didn't kill Sheila, but it did massive damage. She never moved after that. But she was still alive (just).

Let's be real. You're saying that Sheila had a shot to the throat, but she didn't bleed out, or choke, or expirate any blood. Not possible. Just not possible.

[John]

hello Shona ... is that what happened? I have seen the photos that show blood in Sheila's mouth and blood on the right shoulder of her nightdress, but I dont know that she moved between rooms with a shattered throat. I have read that one bullet only entered tissue therefore it would still be possible to live, but moving between rooms, that sounds like guess work, do tell me more.

That is wrong on so many counts Barry and just goes to show how disinformation abounds in the Bamber case.

The first bullet partially shattered and this could only happen if it came into contact with bone structure.  This bullet ended up by the 4th vertebra shattering adjacent structure.   The second bullet entered her cranial cavity which caused instant death.

As far as the two photos are concerned it is quite obvious that Sheila was moved slightly longitudinally.  The blood spatter on the right photo is just out of shot in the left photo.

It was one police officer who misidentified Nevill when he glanced through the kitchen window.

[John]

Apparently, JB walks and talks with his "dad" every day. After 27 years. The "dad" that he stole from. The dad that he hated. "I f..king hate my parents."

It's not looking very good, is it?

Could it be guilt or even remorse has set in in his old age?   >@@(*&)

[starryian]

Apparently, JB walks and talks with his "dad" every day. After 27 years. The "dad" that he stole from. The dad that he hated. "I f..king hate my parents."

It's not looking very good, is it?

Could it be guilt or even remorse has set in in his old age?   >@@(*&)

No I really dont think Bamber is capable of remorse John and certainly not guilt. If he is doing this it is for effect. His duplicity knows no bounds.

[Joanne]

It's the age thingy when psychopaths start to lose some of their traits or it could be the fact that he's realised he ain't going nowhere.

[Matthew Wyse]

Apparently, JB walks and talks with his "dad" every day. After 27 years. The "dad" that he stole from. The dad that he hated. "I f..king hate my parents."

It's not looking very good, is it?

Could it be guilt or even remorse has set in in his old age?   >@@(*&)

No I really dont think Bamber is capable of remorse John and certainly not guilt. If he is doing this it is for effect. His duplicity knows no bounds.

Good morning peeps >

I don't think Jeremy is capable of remorse or any other form of reparation for what he did.   All that I ever read authored by him is about himself basically .... ME ME ME     Has he ever written about his father or mother or murdered nephews with any sentiment or does his work only relate to writing propaganda for his official website???

[Barry Clark]

Let's be real. You're saying that Sheila had a shot to the throat, but she didn't bleed out, or choke, or expirate any blood. Not possible. Just not possible.

Lets be clear - I never introduced the moving around the house, not bleeding, not choking scenario, that was yourself that introduced that to this thread.

[jackiepreece]

John I could have said I might have been going to a friends villa this summer but I have never committed myself because as you know I have to deal with other matters.

As for my cage being rattled it would be nice if you are honest when you send me a message by pm

[starryian]

Apparently, JB walks and talks with his "dad" every day. After 27 years. The "dad" that he stole from. The dad that he hated. "I f..king hate my parents."

It's not looking very good, is it?

Could it be guilt or even remorse has set in in his old age?   >@@(*&)

No I really dont think Bamber is capable of remorse John and certainly not guilt. If he is doing this it is for effect. His duplicity knows no bounds.

Good morning peeps >

I don't think Jeremy is capable of remorse or any other form of reparation for what he did.   All that I ever read authored by him is about himself basically .... ME ME ME     Has he ever written about his father or mother or murdered nephews with any sentiment or does his work only relate to writing propaganda for his official website???

An excellent point mark,
Bamber has never, not once, ever written about his family or expressed any sentiments about them at all that I have read. His sentiments are always soley focused on one person and one person olny - himself.
He is almost certainly completely unable to empathise with another human being, show any remorse or guilt for what he has done. However, this is totally true-to-form.

[puglove]

Let's be real. You're saying that Sheila had a shot to the throat, but she didn't bleed out, or choke, or expirate any blood. Not possible. Just not possible.

Lets be clear - I never introduced the moving around the house, not bleeding, not choking scenario, that was yourself that introduced that to this thread.

Sorry, Barry. Welcome to the forum!!

[Barry Clark]

hello Shona ... is that what happened? I have seen the photos that show blood in Sheila's mouth and blood on the right shoulder of her nightdress, but I dont know that she moved between rooms with a shattered throat. I have read that one bullet only entered tissue therefore it would still be possible to live, but moving between rooms, that sounds like guess work, do tell me more.

That is wrong on so many counts Barry and just goes to show how disinformation abounds in the Bamber case.

The first bullet partially shattered and this could only happen if it came into contact with bone structure.  This bullet ended up by the 4th vertebra shattering adjacent structure.   The second bullet entered her cranial cavity which caused instant death.

As far as the two photos are concerned it is quite obvious that Sheila was moved slightly longitudinally.  The blood spatter on the right photo is just out of shot in the left photo.

It was one police officer who misidentified Nevill when he glanced through the kitchen window.

Not wrong on that many counts then.
1. The first bullet. I had read it lodged in tissue, while I read elsewhere that it fractured, not shattered. So on this count I will concede the bullet was not lodged in tissue. However, fractures of vertebrae and surronding structure do not necessarily paralyse or kill. The severity of the fracture is not discussed in the pathology report of 30/9/85.
2. The moved body. Nothing wrong with my assertion that the body was moved then.
3. Mistaking Nevill for a female. It happened, it isn't wrong on any count. My defintion of "incredible" in the context of this case was asked for, I gave my opinion/examples - that cannot be wrong.

[John]

John I could have said I might have been going to a friends villa this summer but I have never committed myself because as you know I have to deal with other matters.

As for my cage being rattled it would be nice if you are honest when you send me a message by pm

A message about what Jackie?  I really don't know what you are going on about.

[John]

Apparently, JB walks and talks with his "dad" every day. After 27 years. The "dad" that he stole from. The dad that he hated. "I f..king hate my parents."

It's not looking very good, is it?

Could it be guilt or even remorse has set in in his old age?   >@@(*&)

No I really dont think Bamber is capable of remorse John and certainly not guilt. If he is doing this it is for effect. His duplicity knows no bounds.

Good morning peeps >

I don't think Jeremy is capable of remorse or any other form of reparation for what he did.   All that I ever read authored by him is about himself basically .... ME ME ME     Has he ever written about his father or mother or murdered nephews with any sentiment or does his work only relate to writing propaganda for his official website???

An excellent point mark,
Bamber has never, not once, ever written about his family or expressed any sentiments about them at all that I have read. His sentiments are always soley focused on one person and one person olny - himself.
He is almost certainly completely unable to empathise with another human being, show any remorse or guilt for what he has done. However, this is totally true-to-form.

And I will bet he blames his murdered kin for his own demise. Assuming of course that he has any feelings at all.

[John]

hello Shona ... is that what happened? I have seen the photos that show blood in Sheila's mouth and blood on the right shoulder of her nightdress, but I dont know that she moved between rooms with a shattered throat. I have read that one bullet only entered tissue therefore it would still be possible to live, but moving between rooms, that sounds like guess work, do tell me more.

That is wrong on so many counts Barry and just goes to show how disinformation abounds in the Bamber case.

The first bullet partially shattered and this could only happen if it came into contact with bone structure.  This bullet ended up by the 4th vertebra shattering adjacent structure.   The second bullet entered her cranial cavity which caused instant death.

As far as the two photos are concerned it is quite obvious that Sheila was moved slightly longitudinally.  The blood spatter on the right photo is just out of shot in the left photo.

It was one police officer who misidentified Nevill when he glanced through the kitchen window.

Not wrong on that many counts then.
1. The first bullet. I had read it lodged in tissue, while I read elsewhere that it fractured, not shattered. So on this count I will concede the bullet was not lodged in tissue. However, fractures of vertebrae and surronding structure do not necessarily paralyse or kill. The severity of the fracture is not discussed in the pathology report of 30/9/85.
2. The moved body. Nothing wrong with my assertion that the body was moved then.
3. Mistaking Nevill for a female. It happened, it isn't wrong on any count. My defintion of "incredible" in the context of this case was asked for, I gave my opinion/examples - that cannot be wrong.

If you have read the pathologists report you would have seen the comment that the shots were made in quick succession rendering any wandering about the house a non starter.

It would seem that you have mixed up the sequence of the bullets in your original comment when you stated that a bullet wound into solely flesh would not necessarily result in death.  What you failed to understand was that the second bullet did in fact enter flesh but did result in instant death as it impacted on her brain.

I hope this clarifies matters.

[Barry Clark]

hello Shona ... is that what happened? I have seen the photos that show blood in Sheila's mouth and blood on the right shoulder of her nightdress, but I dont know that she moved between rooms with a shattered throat. I have read that one bullet only entered tissue therefore it would still be possible to live, but moving between rooms, that sounds like guess work, do tell me more.

 If you have read the pathologists report you would have seen the comment that the shots were made in quick succession rendering any wandering about the house a non starter.

It would seem that you have mixed up the sequence of the bullets in your original comment when you stated that a bullet wound into solely flesh would not necessarily result in death.  What you failed to understand was that the second bullet did in fact enter flesh but did result in instant death as it impacted on her brain.

I hope this clarifies matters.

I am not mixing anything up, Shona posed a scenario asking if I found Sheila running around with a bullet in her throat "incredible" - If you read my post you will see I asked "is that what happened?" -I made no claim that she moved, I merely said what the pathologist said - the first bullet would not be instantly fatal. As for failing to understand the second bullet, sorry, I made no comment about the 2nd bullet so what is it I failed to understand? No need to answer that, I know the answer.