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Offline jassi

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2014, 07:03:25 PM »
It was the NPIA (from the UK) who recommended the UK dogs should be flown in and it was the NPIA who drew up the initial list of locations for those UK dogs to examine.

And in spite of all this the dogs' findings are persistently rubbished by posters on here. What do they fear?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 07:13:48 PM »
And in spite of all this the dogs' findings are persistently rubbished by posters on here. What do they fear?

Don't fear anything..just want the truth re the dogs told

Offline jassi

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2014, 07:17:43 PM »
Don't fear anything..just want the truth re the dogs told

Your version, anyway
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2014, 07:20:11 PM »
Your version, anyway
no Grime's version

Offline Carana

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2014, 07:21:39 PM »
Were the services of a VRD requested / offered prior to late July 07?

If not, why not?

Offline jassi

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2014, 07:26:30 PM »
no Grime's version

You mean you disagree with him?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2014, 07:27:56 PM »
You mean you disagree with him?

No...I accept exactly what he says...he is the expert

Offline pegasus

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2014, 08:08:59 PM »
Why were the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
Because the UK's top search expert recommended it.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2014, 08:09:34 PM »
Have NO DOUBT that is you and certain other people who are known and are held responsible for derailing threads.

the mcanns and their supporters are terrfid of dogs and its no wonder  dogs have smell senses   1000s of times better then humans

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2014, 08:15:19 PM »
the mcanns and their supporters are terrfid of dogs and its no wonder  dogs have smell senses   1000s of times better then humans

Dogs have a terrific sense of smell...you just have to understand their limitations...I was singled out by a drugs dog at Sydney Airport some years ago...but I didn't have any drugs

ferryman

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Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 08:33:03 PM »
It was the NPIA (from the UK) who recommended the UK dogs should be flown in and it was the NPIA who drew up the initial list of locations for those UK dogs to examine.

The first part is certainly correct, but I have major reservations about the part I underline.

Certainly that ought to have been Harrison's role, but Harrison's role was largely usurped.

Harrison's recommendations for canine inspections were: the holiday apartments, the Murats' place, all cars owned or driven by Murat, areas in and around PdL, and that was it.

How the other searches (and extended vehicle search) came about is a mystery.

Also, it is far from clear that Grime was representing SYP in PdL.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2014, 08:37:05 PM by ferryman »

Offline Anna

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 09:02:41 PM »
The first part is certainly correct, but I have major reservations about the part I underline.

Certainly that ought to have been Harrison's role, but Harrison's role was largely usurped.

Harrison's recommendations for canine inspections were: the holiday apartments, the Murats' place, all cars owned or driven by Murat, areas in and around PdL, and that was it.

How the other searches (and extended vehicle search) came about is a mystery.

Also, it is far from clear that Grime was representing SYP in PdL.

Grime had retired 2008 from the force, but was a trainer for SYP and on SIPA database
He worked for the SYP when he collaborated with Portugal in 2007.

Corrected the above

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post425.html#p425
« Last Edit: March 16, 2014, 09:12:44 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 09:08:51 PM »
The NPIA drew up on 23 July the initial list of locations for the specialist dogs to examine.
Later additions (one villa and more cars) were IMO decided by the team which included NPIA as well as LP and PJ.

ferryman

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Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2014, 09:12:49 PM »
The NPIA drew up on 23 July the initial list of locations for the specialist dogs to examine.
Later additions (one villa and more cars) were IMO decided by the team which included NPIA as well as LP and PJ.

Why, in his summary of all searches, did Harrison distance UK involvement in all except those searches he recommended?

And thinking about it more clearly, Grime certainly was not representing SYP in PdL, because SYP clearly had no expectation of seeing either dogs or handler again after they had finished and, indeed, didn't.

Grime was free lance in PdL.

Offline Anna

Re: Why was PC Grime and the specialist dogs deployed to Praia da Luz?
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2014, 09:19:35 PM »
Why, in his summary of all searches, did Harrison distance UK involvement in all except those searches he recommended?

And thinking about it more clearly, Grime certainly was not representing SYP in PdL, because SYP clearly had no expectation of seeing either dogs or handler again after they had finished and, indeed, didn't.

Grime was free lance in PdL.


I am a retired police offer, previously at the service of the South Yorkshire police. Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force.
On the 17th of August 2007, I completed a report for the Head of Investigations of the Judicial Police, which was submitted by the Leicestershire Police. This report is exhibited as MG/1 and identified by the label bearing my signature. The Judicial Police is in possession of the originals of the search reports and the videos showing all searches performed and the reaction of the dogs. In addition to the report, Sam Harkeness of the Progresso Nacional Police Agency sent me by email several written questions sent by the Judicial Police together with a request for a written deposition. This deposition was submitted without me having seen or having knowledge of the final report from the forensic agency responsible for analyzing the evidence submitted in this case.

As the link in my last post
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato